Disenchanted

[Sotiris]

Great news about the villain song. It's ridiculous the one written for Narissa hasn't been released yet. I'm very glad about the confirmation of the animated segments, but at the same time I'm quite worried. I really hope they hire a good studio to animate them like Duncan Studio. The animation needs to be on par with the first one in quality. I hope they don't hire a cheaper studio like they did with Godmothered. The animation in that was dreadful.

[Jules]

Great news about the villain song. It's ridiculous the one written for Narissa hasn't been released yet. I'm very glad about the confirmation of the animated segments, but at the same time I'm quite worried. I really hope they hire a good studio to animated them like Duncan Studio. The animation needs to be on par with the first one in quality. I hope they don't hire a cheaper studio like they did with Godmothered. The animation in that was dreadful.

Sotiris, the animation in Godmothered was PERFECTLY competent, even attractive and certainly professional.

I know we all have opinions, but try to be at least a little bit objective. Thanks.

[estefan]

I also thought the animation in Godmothered was quite lovely.

I understand the perception of the movie going straight to Disney+ means there will be an expectation of corners being cut on the animation and special effects. However, I want to recommend "Flora & Ulysses", which was created for Disney+ and starred a CG squirrel alongside live-action humans. Said squirrel looked fantastic. And of course, you have "The Mandalorian" and the Marvel shows, which also look really good in the visual effects department.

[Toky]

Great news about the villain song. It's ridiculous the one written for Narissa hasn't been released yet. I'm very glad about the confirmation of the animated segments, but at the same time I'm quite worried. I really hope they hire a good studio to animated them like Duncan Studio. The animation needs to be on par with the first one in quality. I hope they don't hire a cheaper studio like they did with Godmothered. The animation in that was dreadful.

Sotiris, the animation in Godmothered was PERFECTLY competent, even attractive and certainly professional.

I know we all have opinions, but try to be at least a little bit objective. Thanks.

He didn’t say it wasn’t professional; more that it was dreadful. Everybody has another opninion. Also opinions are never objective; thats quite contradictive...also in his and your formulation of an opinion i see no difference, just an opossite(sorry if it feels like a personal attack, but its just tiring to see people here bringing eachothers opinion down; sometimes this forum feels like a hens nest)

... anyways; Me too, thought it ‘looked’ horrible. Probably lot of well trained people worked on it, but it was nowhere near Disney-standards...

[DisneyFan09]

Great news about the villain song. It's ridiculous the one written for Narissa hasn't been released yet. I'm very glad about the confirmation of the animated segments, but at the same time I'm quite worried. I really hope they hire a good studio to animated them like Duncan Studio. The animation needs to be on par with the first one in quality. I hope they don't hire a cheaper studio like they did with Godmothered. The animation in that was dreadful.

Agreed. While the animation in Enchanted wasn`t the very best, it was still leagues above the animation in Godmothered.

[Jules]

Subject: Disenchanted

Sotiris, the animation in Godmothered was PERFECTLY competent, even attractive and certainly professional.

I know we all have opinions, but try to be at least a little bit objective. Thanks.

He didn’t say it wasn’t professional; more that it was dreadful. Everybody has another opninion. Also opinions are never objective; thats quite contradictive...also in his and your formulation of an opinion i see no difference, just an opossite(sorry if it feels like a personal attack, but its just tiring to see people here bringing eachothers opinion down; sometimes this forum feels like a hens nest)

... anyways; Me too, thought it ‘looked’ horrible. Probably lot of well trained people worked on it, but it was nowhere near Disney-standards...

Calling it 'dreadful' without citing reasons for it is the same as calling it unprofessional or inept.

Yes, art is subjective, but some things can still be evaluated objectively. Just because art is subjective doesn't mean I can deride Michelangelo's David sculpture because it is horrible and the anatomy is bad. Expressing that opinion will lead to my ridicule since David's anatomy is pretty perfect and no subjective opinion can change the objective truth.

Calling Godmothered's animation 'dreadful'is absolutely ridiculous because anybody can see it isn't so ... EVEN IF THEY DON'T LIKE IT.

Dreadful animation would have been something COMPLETELY incompetent.

I can think of an example right now: the animation in Alpha and Omega. That is truly incompetent animation, on every level. Hopefully the Indian animators who worked on that have since bloomed and are turning out great work.

Sotiris can say he doesn't like the animation in godmothered, and provide reasons. If he wants to get technical he can point out where the animators failed, i.e. bad application of squash and stretch, improper staging, etc. You get the point. Otherwise, simply calling the animation dreadful is insulting to the people who worked on it.

It might have been dreadful if it were animated shit smears on paper, though even that technique has potential.

Btw, your post wasn't a personal attack. Don't worry about it.

For all of you reading this - if I sound very angry and irritated - it's because I AM!

I feel better expressing my frustration openly than burying it under meaningless euphemisms.

And hopefully my point comes across.

EDIT: Accidentally sent somebody a private message with this post!!

[Disney's Divinity]

You're right, Jules, we all have a right to opinions. Sotiris has a right to theirs without you being rude and condescending to them. I thought you didn't like what you perceived as negativity on this forum, but you seem to have no problem adding to it the moment you disagree with someone. This is why I've always used the term Positivity Police, because you people clearly use the idea of blind positivity as a pretense to bash people. It's incredibly insincere.

[Jules]

I am not being rude and condescending. If anything I am being bloody sincere!

I've spent 15 years being polite and nice here, and believe me I am still polite and nice, both here and in real life. Do you want me to censor myself and shut up instead? Is this a dictatorship?

Yes, I hate the negativity on this forum. And yes, mine was a negative post, but in this case to highlight the negativity I HAD to be negative myself.

Btw, I can assure you I am no bullsh****r. I meant every word and I stand by everything I wrote.

Also, if you scour my posts you will see I don't make it a habit to bash people Divinity. I try to make things more upbeat and fun around here, even if I cannot really succeed due to my very low post frequency. I'm sorry if you can't see that.

You've been around here even longer than I have Divinity. Surely you remember when the forum was actually "fun" and not unnecessarily negative.

Why do you and everybody else here think there was an exodus of users from this site? Where did SpringHeelJack, Prudence, Escapay, DisneyKid, 2099net and so many others go!!??

Do you think it is mere coincidence?

Hope I'm not accused of being "condescending" again. Anyway, better condescending but truthful and honest than "artificially pleasant" but two-faced or full of sh!t.

[Disney's Divinity]

On the contrary, I think you types are coming across as having a two-faced quality to your comments? Wanting everyone to be positive regardless of what's in front of them and then browbeating them if they aren't. If anything, I'm always direct when I have an issue with someone's comments instead of tiptoeing around, acting one way and then waiting for the most advantageous moment to strike at a member. At least when I don't like someone, they'll usually know it pretty far in advance.

[Jules]

Divinity, I do not dislike anyone here, including you or Sotiris. You've never given me reason to hate, much less dislike you. (However, that opinion might change based on your accusations above.)

I dislike the negativity and the oppression. And I won't mince words - both you and Sotiris can be guilty of negativity. Attacking that negativity doesn't mean I hate either of you. (Why am I even using that word!?)

But being a flawed human, I do prefer some members to others. I'm sure everyone does.

"Strike at a member"???

What am I? A predator!? What a ludicrous choice of words.

Also, I'm not some positivity freak who thinks the world is all sunshine and rainbows. I have to dig up a couple of old posts in which I explained myself perfectly. Not sure why I have ro explain this for the hundredth time. Hasn't anybody read them? Is everything I write here ignored?

[Disney's Divinity]

What a ludicrous choice of words.

Well, that's exactly how it comes across, very snakey, tbh. As for what you said earlier about people disappearing over the years, if you asked me when this place stopped being "fun," it was during the Goliath days. That's when I started to treat this place solely as an information source only. I'm not sure why you're holding us accountable for something about the forum that disappeared close to a decade ago, we don't owe you anything...?

Anywho, I agree with Sotiris that I hope the animation is at least on par with that in the first Enchanted. From the start of this film, I sort of expected there to be no hand-drawn animation element at all, or even for the animated portion to be 3D.

[Jules]

What a ludicrous choice of words.

Well, that's exactly how it comes across, very snakey, tbh.

Well, then you really do not know me Divinity!

That's the last word I or anybody who knows me in real life would use to describe me.

I really wish I didn't live half a world away so I could physically meet the people on this forum, and then you'd all know what kind of person I really am if it doesn't come through as intended via text.

[Toky]

Okaaay... apparently I unleashed the box of Pandora...
Back to the disenchanted discussion lovelies! :-*

Pm: i got the PM...

[thedisneyspirit]

Well, that's exactly how it comes across, very snakey, tbh.

Well, then you really do not know me Divinity!

That's the last word I or anybody who knows me in real life would use to describe me.

I really wish I didn't live half a world away so I could physically meet the people on this forum, and then you'd all know what kind of person I really am if it doesn't come through as intended via text.

Jules, I stand by you and I think the character assassination being inflicted on you is defamation. You do not deserve this treatment at all.

And I 100% agree with you that there is a reason dozens of forum members have left this site because of the controlling attitude of some which makes this place feel like a totalitarian state. I feel like I can't say anything without [redacted lol] scrubbing my posts for asserting my opinions. When that mess of a site Fanpop comes across as a more fun and hospitable place to post, you know there is a problem. This site hasn't been the same without Goliath, Prudence, Lady Cluck, dvdjunkie, Jeangreyforever, Disneykid, etc. Where are all my users at??

[Disney Duster]

Sotiris saying the animation was dreadful is perfectly fine. Someone could say the statue of David was dreadful just because they don't like, I dunno, toned naked men or something! He has a right to his opinion. He just thinks something is bad based on what he likes and doesn't like. And saying something is dreadful does not equal unprofessional. Those words have different definitions. And you cannot be objective in opinions, just like Toky said.

To me, the animation in Godmothered was not very flowy or designed very nicely and in comparison to the animation in Enchanted was kind of dreadful.

Jules is not snakey or two-faced! He also wasn't being rude or condeacending! Don't say such things about him, Divinity! Maybe you felt he was being those things, but I attest that he wasn't! He was passionately explaining why he felt someone was saying something was wrong, even if he might have been wrong himself. Jules is rarely if ever negative on this site from what I remember, and he was just being negative to argue against a point. He is not fake positive ever! I still consider you both my friends, though.

As for the news of a villain song and animated segments, yay!!! But only really if the animated segments are hand-drawn and good.

[Disney's Divinity]

You can think what you like. *shrug* My impression of people here is only what they post. Jules and estefan regularly attack people for not being positive enough in their eyes, I'm not sure what they expect, for people to have a great impression of them for that. Is that supposed to be "fun" for the people they're attacking? Just wondering!

This site hasn't been the same without Goliath, Prudence, Lady Cluck, dvdjunkie, Jeangreyforever, Disneykid, etc.

The only one of those names I miss is Prudence. Not that we were friends or anything, but I did like what she contributed most of the time. Disneykid was fine though. And I don't think you were even here when several of those people posted anyway? Perhaps farerb is right that you pretend to be things sometimes...

Anyway, not sure if this has been posted before:

From Dancing With the Stars to Disenchanted: John Nolan cast in Disney blockbuster
https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle ... 11590.html

[thedisneyspirit]

This site hasn't been the same without Goliath, Prudence, Lady Cluck, dvdjunkie, Jeangreyforever, Disneykid, etc.

The only one of those names I miss is Prudence. Not that we were friends or anything, but I did like what she contributed most of the time. Disneykid was fine though. And I don't think you were even here when several of those people posted anyway? Perhaps farerb is right that you pretend to be things sometimes...

Yeah well that isn't surprising considering you've rubbed 90% of the people on this site the wrong way. That was Jules' indirect way of saying that he holds YOU accountable for most of the people leaving this site. And I have confirmation of that from half a dozen people.

Perhaps farerb was right about everything he and most everyone else on this site has ever said about you. Don't think I haven't noticed your white privilege persona and how you don't give a damn about anyone with a drop of melanin.

[Disney's Divinity]

Oh, I'm sure I have played a role in some people deciding to leave over the years. Some of those I might feel a little sorry about while others, not so much. I'm not a saint and don't pretend to be one, and I know from firsthand experience the majority here aren't either. If I believed my value came from other people, I would've stopped posting a long time ago, but I know no evil thing you could say would really matter in the scheme of things. I could bring out all the skeletons in DVDizzy's closet that concerns people still posting here, but I'm not concerned with airing all the dirt from 10 years or so ago to someone who played no part in it with a lot of people you probably have never even spoken to before.

[thedisneyspirit]

Let's make something clear. You don't know me, you don't know where I've been, who I talk to, whatever. And I plan on keeping it that way because I have no intention to ever let you into my life. Or anyone else here for that matter. I like to keep white geezers at arms length since heaven knows the world is full of them already talking down to women and POC who are the actual oppressed peoples around and not another bland privileged white man who thinks he is owed the world his mommy promised him. And I especially do not feel sorry about one who feels wronged because a fictional mermaid isn't a redhead like he creamed himself over.

SO glad we have that established then. Let's move on shall we? The moral of this story is that Jules is great and I think we can all agree on that.

[Disney's Divinity]

That goes two ways, hun. You don't know me either and several of your statements here alone are blatantly false to anyone who's been around me for more than a minute. But I think all you really want is to make a "name" for yourself in DVDizzy "history," because you see this forum as some kind of reality show you can read into all our pasts about. Creepy and morbid. Which I guess explains why you've been bombarding the place with as much incendiary stuff as you can the past few weeks. But I'm willing to guess it won't end the way you think it will though.