Is hand-drawn animation dead?

[disneyprincess11]

Yeah, the Nutcracker would be perfect as a Disney movie. I'm seriously thinking about being a director for WDAS someday and I have a sketchbook for my ideas and TNC is in my sketchbook right now! Swan Lake would be a problem because it's already a movie (aka Swan Princess), so people would declare it as a rip-off to it. But, I did see some Disney sketches of it from the 90s.

Also:

-The Phantom Tollbooth-This is a book I read when I was in 4th grade at school and I recentely saw the Chuck Jones movie. TPT would be PERFECT as a Disney movie! There's a little boy as a hero, 2 animal sidekicks, and 2 princesses need resucing (first twin Disney princesses anyone? ) The demons (who are the bad guys) will need changing (b/c they're in it for like 3 minutes demon each) so they can be EPIC villians! Do all of this, make it 2D, and have Alan Menkin score and Stephen Scharwtz (he did Wicked, so he may capture the story more) songs, and we have PERFECTION! Too bad Warner Bros is doing an adaption of it right now.
-The Ugly Duckling/Honk!-My school did an musical adaption of The Ugly Duckling called Honk! when I was in seventh grade, and I would LOVE for Disney or Pixar doing this. It could be CGI too.
-The Phantom of the Oprea-If Disney did HOND, they could totally do this! And if they kept the Andrew Llyod-Webber songs of course. *wink*
-Romeo and Juliet-They could do R&J if Disney makes this more kid friendly or even better...they can do a remake of this version of R&J that was done by a Disney animator (and improve it A LOT ESEPECIALLY the HORRIBLE songs):
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-Thumbelina-Again, could be a perfect Disney movie, but Don Hahn made it already and people would declare it as a rip-off. Kirstin Chenowith as Thumbelina? (She has enough cuteness in her voice to voice a Thumbelina).

[Wonderlicious]

I'm guessing that probably stemmed from Andreas Deja's book:

That's interesting about Andreas Deja's Puss in Boots. Was it a direct retelling of the original story or did it play out like a Disney version would in that the original story acted as a springboard upon which new elements and ideas were placed? Anyway, I searched for some images online, and I got this page with a few images:

http://www.heeza.fr/description.php?lan ... 81&path=67

It looks like it would have been great in animation. The miller's son looks like a nicer version of Gaston, and the princess reminds me of Belle with some of Jasmine's sauciness. And of course, the ogre in lion form reminds me of another certain wicked lion.

By the way Sleeping Beauty is based from the ballet, so that shouldn't stop Disney from creating Swan Lake or The Nutcracker.

Well, actually, Sleeping Beauty started off having no affiliation to Tchaikovsky, so only the score could be said to be adapted from the ballet. I believe that it's a quite loose adaptation of the ballet score, as individual sections appear at different story points (for example, the motif that plays when the fairies fly off to try and reach Philip at the cottage originally appeared at the point where Aurora pricks her finger and goes to sleep). Furthermore, the actual Sleeping Beauty tale, either in its Perrault or Grimm form, happens to be one of the most famous stories ever told, whereas the stories of the Nutcracker and Swan Lake, respectively adapted from an E.T.A. Hoffman fantasy and a Russian folk story, are probably only still remembered because ballets were made of them (and even then, I doubt very many would be able to give a real synopsis of what happens in either).

[Super Aurora]

Swan Lake would be a problem because it's already a movie (aka Swan Princess), so people would declare it as a rip-off to it. But, I did see some Disney sketches of it from the 90s.

Wait...WAT? Where?! PICS? link?

[disneyprincess11]

Swan Lake would be a problem because it's already a movie (aka Swan Princess), so people would declare it as a rip-off to it. But, I did see some Disney sketches of it from the 90s.

Wait...WAT? Where?! PICS? link?

From a message board or a website either last year or a couple of years ago. Sadly, I can't find the concept art. All I remember were swans swimming in water and swans swimming near a wall like a castle or something. But, I found this funny pic:


But, I found tons of info :

From: http://www.toonzone.net/forums/archive/ ... 89995.html

Back in 1992, one of the pre-production movie projects was "Swan Lake".
Never heard anymore about it. Has any one else?

THANX

THANX I remember "Swan Lake" being mentioned as a possible feature....it probably got canceled because another studio was making an animated film based on "Swan Lake","The Swan Princess",which came out in '94...

And from the List of unreleased Disney animated shorts and feature films (http://www.ask.com/wiki/List_of_unrelea ... films#1992):

1993
Swan Lake - Later retooled into The Swan Princess by former Disney animator and animation director Richard Rich, who had been working on and proposed a pitch to Disney about the said film.[13]

FROM MOUSEPLANET (http://www.mouseplanet.com/8967/Forgott ... ey_History):

“At a press preview for Disney’s Aladdin, Disney studio chairman Jeffrey Katzenberg announced several animated feature projects in development (besides King of the Jungle due next year with songs by Elton John and Tim Rice). Those projects include Homer’s Odyssey, Sinbad the Sailor, Pocahontas, Swan Lake (which Katzenberg described as ‘an original story dealing with the mythology of dragons’) , Song of the Sea (about whales) and ‘a more lighthearted projected called Silly Hillbillies on Mars. These are in addition to Fantasia Continues (due in 1995).”

Dragons? Ehhhhhh....no.

[Rose Dome]

Yeah, the Nutcracker would be perfect as a Disney movie.

I would love to see Disney do it, but it's exteremely unlikely, given the Music has already been used by Disney, which is a double egded sword. On one hand, we have those beautiful sequences form Fantasia, but on the other, that abysmal Nutcracker Prince is the only thearactrically released treatment the Ballet has recieved (at least in terms of Animation), and Disney can't do a better job without using Music that they've used before. They could always have original songs written, but that would be a waste.

I'm seriously thinking about being a director for WDAS someday and I have a sketchbook for my ideas and TNC is in my sketchbook right now!

Good for you!

The Phantom Tollbooth-This is a book I read when I was in 4th grade at school and I recentely saw the Chuck Jones movie. TPT would be PERFECT as a Disney movie! There's a little boy as a hero, 2 animal sidekicks, and 2 princesses who help fight the demons

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Thumbelina-Again, could be a perfect Disney movie, but Don Bluth made it already and people would declare it as a rip-off

Not if it was an improvement, which wouldn't be hard!

[WonderlandFever]

When I was young I always wanted Disney to do Little Red Riding Hood and Rapunzel, well we got Rapunzel altho not how I imagined it at all but still good would still love to see a shot a Red Riding Hood but then again there was that stupid hoodwinked which would probably confuse people :S

[Goliath]

Tom Thumb

Tom Thumb is a character of English folklore. The History of Tom Thumb was published in 1621, and has the distinction of being the first fairy tale printed in English. Tom is no bigger than his father's thumb, and his adventures include being swallowed by a cow, tangling with giants, and becoming a favourite of King Arthur.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Thumb

Never knew Tom Thumb was a character from a fairy tale. I just knew the name from Bob Dylan's 1965 song 'Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues' on Highway 61 Revisited. Never bothered to check where that name came from.

[Flanger-Hanger]

Dragons? Ehhhhhh....no.

What's wrong with dragons?

[Sky Syndrome]

I want a hand-drawn documentary film of the creatures in the fantasy field guide,"Fearsome Creatures of the Lumberwoods, With a Few Desert and Mountain Beasts."

[disneyprincess11]

Yeah, the Nutcracker would be perfect as a Disney movie.

I would love to see Disney do it, but it's exteremely unlikely, given the Music has already been used by Disney, which is a double egded sword. On one hand, we have those beautiful sequences form Fantasia, but on the other, that abysmal Nutcracker Prince is the only thearactrically released treatment the Ballet has recieved (at least in terms of Animation), and Disney can't do a better job without using Music that they've used before. They could always have original songs written, but that would be a waste.

Yeah, but I think they could use the famous score twice and I think there could be definitely original songs if done it carefully In fact, I thought of one with Clara in the tune of "O Holy Night"

I'm seriously thinking about being a director for WDAS someday and I have a sketchbook for my ideas and TNC is in my sketchbook right now!

Good for you!

Thanks, but due to my "artisic abilities', it doesn't look good.

The Phantom Tollbooth-This is a book I read when I was in 4th grade at school and I recentely saw the Chuck Jones movie. TPT would be PERFECT as a Disney movie! There's a little boy as a hero, 2 animal sidekicks, and 2 princesses who help fight the demons

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Haha, yeah that would be cool too!

Thumbelina-Again, could be a perfect Disney movie, but Don Bluth made it already and people would declare it as a rip-off

Not if it was an improvement, which wouldn't be hard!

Haha, true! WDAS could do it if they had differences from Bluth's version.

[Elladorine]

That's interesting about Andreas Deja's Puss in Boots. Was it a direct retelling of the original story or did it play out like a Disney version would in that the original story acted as a springboard upon which new elements and ideas were placed? Anyway, I searched for some images online, and I got this page with a few images:

http://www.heeza.fr/description.php?lan ... 81&path=67

It looks like it would have been great in animation. The miller's son looks like a nicer version of Gaston, and the princess reminds me of Belle with some of Jasmine's sauciness. And of course, the ogre in lion form reminds me of another certain wicked lion.

I should have pointed out that you could click on the pic I posted, it leads to the same link you found.

Unfortunately, it's been over ten years since I've had the book in my hands so I don't remember it very well; if I recall correctly it was a direct retelling. I always thought it was interesting that it was published the same year The Lion King was released (yes, that lion looks familiar, lol) and that much of it reminded me a lot of his preproduction art I've seen from Beauty and the Beast.

[SWillie!]

Has anyone ever read the story of The Golden Stag? It's a Romanian Fairy Tale, and for whatever reason I've always been drawn to the idea of the brother, who has been transformed into a golden stag, and his sister growing up together. The rest of the tale is kind of all over the place, but what do you guys think?

http://www.awrsd.org/oak/Academics/Cour ... n_stag.htm

Adapting this idea is one of the concepts I'm throwing around for my junior short film at school. Thoughts?

[Wonderlicious]

Has anyone ever read the story of The Golden Stag? It's a Romanian Fairy Tale, and for whatever reason I've always been drawn to the idea of the brother, who has been transformed into a golden stag, and his sister growing up together. The rest of the tale is kind of all over the place, but what do you guys think?

http://www.awrsd.org/oak/Academics/Cour ... n_stag.htm

Adapting this idea is one of the concepts I'm throwing around for my junior short film at school. Thoughts?

That sounds quite a bit like Little Brother and Little Sister, a story by the Brothers Grimm:

http://www.surlalunefairytales.com/brot ... index.html

[disneyprincess11]

Dragons? Ehhhhhh....no.

What's wrong with dragons?

Oh, nothing. It's just really random since dragons weren't in the ballet/story versions.

[toplaycool22]

When you think about it, when Swan Lake (aka Swan Princess), Thumbelina, and Sinbad were made into films by other studios, they did not do so well (except Swan Princess but critics didn't like it). So I think Disney can make BETTER versions of these stories.

[Disney's Divinity]

They could even use those stories for their 3D films, since they aren't going to stop making 3D fairy tales now, to further differentiate them from the 2D versions by other studios.

[Goliath]

Why should the next hand-drawn Disney feature have to be a fairy tale? Why not adapt a novel?

[Flanger-Hanger]

Why should the next hand-drawn Disney feature have to be a fairy tale? Why not adapt a novel?

Becuase Fairy Tales have the Diz-Knee ESSENCE and can have Prince$$e$ in them!

[Elladorine]

Why should the next hand-drawn Disney feature have to be a fairy tale? Why not adapt a novel?

Becuase Fairy Tales have the Diz-Knee ESSENCE and can have Prince$$e$ in them!

Damn straight.

[KubrickFan]

Why should the next hand-drawn Disney feature have to be a fairy tale? Why not adapt a novel?

Why adapt anything at all? I'm sure that the folks at Disney are perfectly capable of coming up with a good story on their own.

Oh, and that's not to say that they shouldn't adapt anything at all, but a little bit of diversity wouldn't be such a bad thing. Not all Disney movies need to be animated musical fairy tales, I think.