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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:21 am 
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Seeing through all shorts would take a little too long, but does anyone know which animated features (except computer animation) that has shadows in them? I tried to see on some stills of Sleeping Beauty on Google images, and couldn't see any shadows. Dumbo and Lady and the Tramp on the other hand, has them. The Little Mermaid? Not sure. Couldn't see any shadows in the ballroom scene in Beauty and the Beast, but they do have them in other parts of the movie, like the village.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 4:23 pm 
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Rumpelstiltskin wrote:
Seeing through all shorts would take a little too long, but does anyone know which animated features (except computer animation) that has shadows in them? I tried to see on some stills of Sleeping Beauty on Google images, and couldn't see any shadows. Dumbo and Lady and the Tramp on the other hand, has them. The Little Mermaid? Not sure. Couldn't see any shadows in the ballroom scene in Beauty and the Beast, but they do have them in other parts of the movie, like the village.


I think all Disney classics have shadows in them, but they are not consistent with them, so in some scenes of the early movies they have shadows if it is important to the story. Like "Snow White" when she is with the huntsman.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:30 pm 
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Shadows are added on a shot to shot basis depending on time and budget restraints, and wether they are deemed important for the shot.

Most movies have them at some point or another.

If you want full on rendered lighting though, I would like to see disney adopt the method used on klaus.
Now that would be pretty revolutionary for handdrawn.

https://www.cartoonbrew.com/wp-content/ ... 80x313.jpg
(stupid board won't let me embed)


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:39 am 
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Shadows in computer animation is easy, but drawing them in the more traditional animation medium requires some time and effort, and when cutting corners, these are the kind of effects that often suffers.

According to Don Bluth and Gary Goldman, they left because Disney, especially in the 70s, didn't use shadows and any other effects at all, and they were afraid that all the former glory of the animation medium would disappear:

http://www.fantasiafest.com/blog/guests ... ry-goldman
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So, as we learned in the garage, we earned promotions at Disney. We also really started to notice the films we were working on didn’t seem to be as beautiful as films that Disney made 30 years before – films like Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Pinocchio, Bambi, Dumbo, Cinderella, Peter Pan or Lady and the Tramp. And when Don was promoted to Producer/Director and I was promoted to Directing Animator, we found out that convincing the management (during the ‘70s) that we wanted to add more special effects, cast shadows on the character, water, rain, and other environmental phenomena, it was discouraged. They wanted us to cut costs, not increase costs. It seemed as though the more we tried to return to the beauty of the older films, the more difficult our jobs became. We finally decided that maybe we could turn them around if we started our own company and challenged Disney on the big screen, that maybe then they would see what we were talking about.


http://articles.mcall.com/1986-11-21/en ... l-animated
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In "An American Tail," five background artists created more than 800 background paintings. The completed film uses more than 1 million drawings and more than 100,000 hand-painted cels. There are special effects to depict fire, rain, shadows and reflections, and a palette of more than 600 colors.


If you look at Lady and the Tramp, or Lilo & Stitch, their shadows are not there to add something special to the scene like the one where Snow White is about to get killed by the hunter, but to add realism.


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