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 Post subject: Re: Mulan (Live-Action)
PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:23 pm 
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To clarify what i meant in the Cruella theard. I don’t think Disney shouldn’t made a live action Mulan if they are going to use so little for the animated movie. Than i could just as well have been made by any Studio.

Also another thing i want to make clear i’m okay with no songs. I have no problem with problem with removing Li Shang. And i think an evil which played by one of China's biggest stars is actually an upgrade form the boring warlord Shan Yu from the original. But I draw the line at removing my two favorite characters The Grandma and Mushu. Than i got a problem with the makers of this Mulan.

You CAN’T remove Mushu is an iconic part of the movie and the Grandma is just plain really enjoyable. Always like old lady characters in fiction who are still sharp and knowledgeable.


All they had to do is tone down Mushu a bit and make the Grandmother more of a serious mentor figure and then I think many chianse people wouldn’t complain that much.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:57 pm 
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To clarify what i meant in the Cruella theard. I don’t think Disney shouldn’t made a live action Mulan if they are going to use so little for the animated movie. Than i could just as well have been made by any Studio.

Also another thing i want to make clear i’m okay with no songs. I have no problem with problem with removing Li Shang. And i think an evil which played by one of China's biggest stars is actually an upgrade form the boring warlord Shan Yu from the original. But I draw the line at removing my two favorite characters The Grandma and Mushu. Than i got a problem with the makers of this Mulan.

You CAN’T remove Mushu is an iconic part of the movie and the Grandma is just plain really enjoyable. Always like old lady characters in fiction who are still sharp and knowledgeable.


All they had to do is tone down Mushu a bit and make the Grandmother more of a serious mentor figure and then I think many chianse people wouldn’t complain that much.

I think toning down Mushu wouldn't work because his style of humor is really westernized and wouldn't appeal to Chinese audiences. So even toned down he wouldn't really fit into the tone of the film, but then American audiences would get annoyed that he's so different.

As for the grandma, since Mulan has a little sister now, maybe they felt it would clutter up the story to include another relative of Mulan's in the film.


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 Post subject: Re: Mulan (Live-Action)
PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:24 pm 
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DisneyFan97 wrote:
Also another thing i want to make clear i’m okay with no songs. I have no problem with problem with removing Li Shang. And i think an evil which played by one of China's biggest stars is actually an upgrade form the boring warlord Shan Yu from the original. But I draw the line at removing my two favorite characters The Grandma and Mushu. Than i got a problem with the makers of this Mulan.
I personally have a problem with all of those things, although I think removing the songs and Mushu are easily the worst offenders. Shan-Yu is one of the few male villains of Disney's that I like, although I can appreciate the idea of the villainess they've come up with for this, too.

So strange what they’re doing with this film. It would be like if they decided to remove the songs, cut out Ursula, and have Ariel die at the end of the TLM re-make. Any studio can make a version of the TLM tale just like any studio can make a version of the Mulan legend. Only Disney can make a live-action version of their animated films. Such dumb moves.

I hesitate to go so far as to say I hope it bombs, because I actually believe Disney would have the gall to take the live-action film’s lack of success and treat the animated film worse for it—despite the fact that the live-action film would have failed in part because it wasn’t like the animated film. Same way I feel about the TLM re-make. If the live-action film were to underperform, for many of the same reasons the Broadway show flopped, they might actually conclude that it’s a reflection of what the public feels about TLM as a property instead of what’s really to blame, which is their horrible decision-making and misunderstanding of why the property is popular.

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 Post subject: Re: Mulan (Live-Action)
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I don't understand the problem. Do you guys want these live-action remakes to be creative and original or not?

If you want Mushu and hear the songs watch the animated movie, it is right there.

It is so pointless when they do these remakes like the animated counterparts. And when they do it like Beauty and the beast or the Lion king, people still complain. They want new creative versions. Ok, let us do it for Mulan. But people are still complaining.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:16 am 
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I don't understand the problem. Do you guys want these live-action remakes to be creative and original or not?

If you want Mushu and hear the songs watch the animated movie, it is right there.

It is so pointless when they do these remakes like the animated counterparts. And when they do it like Beauty and the beast or the Lion king, people still complain. They want new creative versions. Ok, let us do it for Mulan. But people are still complaining.

That's my thought process, too.

As I suggested before on this thread, those who are skeptical should give Niki Caro's "Whale Rider" a watch. It's a beautiful film which explores similar themes as "Mulan" and shows why she's the right person to tell this story.

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DisneyBluLife wrote:
It is so pointless when they do these remakes like the animated counterparts. And when they do it like Beauty and the beast or the Lion king, people still complain.
Yes, different people. What others decide to complain about has nothing to do with me. I didn't complain about B&tB because I liked it for the most part and, no, I wouldn't say B&tB was an exact re-creation of the original at all although it hewed more closely than Alice, for example (which was bottom tier terrible). The only re-make so far that differentiated itself a great deal from the original and was what I'd still call objectively "good" was TJB. I haven't seen TLK to have any opinion of that at all.

My personal stance is that I don't mind minor changes--especially if those changes "improve" small mistakes, add extra detail to / strengthen the story's themes or ideas--as long as the overall hews close to the original. Cutting Mushu and the songs from Mulan are NOT minor changes to me. I’ve said before that I think of the re-makes as being like new versions of a musical. Some particulars may be different, but the crux (the songs, characters, general plot) is—or *should* be, imo—the same.

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 Post subject: Re: Mulan (Live-Action)
PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:33 pm 
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DisneyBluLife wrote:
I don't understand the problem. Do you guys want these live-action remakes to be creative and original or not?

If you want Mushu and hear the songs watch the animated movie, it is right there.

It is so pointless when they do these remakes like the animated counterparts. And when they do it like Beauty and the beast or the Lion king, people still complain. They want new creative versions. Ok, let us do it for Mulan. But people are still complaining.

That's my thought process, too.

As I suggested before on this thread, those who are skeptical should give Niki Caro's "Whale Rider" a watch. It's a beautiful film which explores similar themes as "Mulan" and shows why she's the right person to tell this story.

There are some films which I can understand why Disney sticks so close to the source material, like the Big Four of the 90s, because of how untouchable those films are in terms of nostalgia and worldwide appeal. Mulan was never that big a film and it mostly resonates with young generations so I think an update is exactly what it needed.

I'll have to give Whale Rider a watch! What's interesting is how much it reminds me of early drafts of Moana. I wonder if Disney was ever inspired by Whale Rider when they were making Moana and if that's how they also thought of Niki Caro for Mulan.


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DisneyBluLife wrote:
I don't understand the problem. Do you guys want these live-action remakes to be creative and original or not?

If you want Mushu and hear the songs watch the animated movie, it is right there.

It is so pointless when they do these remakes like the animated counterparts. And when they do it like Beauty and the beast or the Lion king, people still complain. They want new creative versions. Ok, let us do it for Mulan. But people are still complaining.

People want the most iconic characters/songs to make the transition to live action. Seems pretty simple to me. The differences can live in areas that live action does best, in the subtle acting, cinematography, etc. How characters see development over the course of the movie. There's plenty of places to make its mark that doesn't include leaving out iconic characters and songs.


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Q: Will the Phoenix in Mulan speak? Is it going to be a female phoenix to make sense?

The DisInsider: No, but that doesn't mean the Phoenix won't. Iago wasn't originally going to speak in Aladdin (2019). But Alan Tudyk was cast at the last minute in post-production.
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We learned that a while ago, I thought. At first, I thought the phoenix was just going to be Mushu in a different form, then we learned that wasn't the case not long after. I wonder if the witch will have a bird similar to Shan-Yu's hawk or not, in order to make a counter between her v. Mulan and her phoenix?

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I don't like these new Chinese paper posters, to be honest. Frankly, I find them awfully generic.


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Sotiris wrote:
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Q: Will the Phoenix in Mulan speak? Is it going to be a female phoenix to make sense?

The DisInsider: No, but that doesn't mean the Phoenix won't. Iago wasn't originally going to speak in Aladdin (2019). But Alan Tudyk was cast at the last minute in post-production.
Source: https://i.imgur.com/j1BreUj.jpg


So the animal sidekick will be mute ? Well that’s a big disappointment.

Am okay almost every change.

But removing the Grandma and not even having a Mushu equivalent 1

That really frustrates me !


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From what I saw at the D23 movies panel, it looks like the witch can turn herself into a pheonix at some point, but I could have misinterpreted what I saw.


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