Hahaha, I know. Our conversations have streched out in lengthThat's quite all right! I don't expect immediate responses, especially considering the lengths of our conversations lol.
I grew up in the midst of the Renaissance, yes. But I also didn't truly enjoy the peak of it, since I wasn't obsessed with those who came before The Lion King. But at least I enjoyed Aladdin when I first saw it and thought it was quite fun.That means you must have grown up right in the midst of the Disney Renaissance! I basically just caught the very end of it, even that, but luckily the 90s films were popular enough that their impact was still felt in those later years so it wasn't a complete loss.
It's remarkable how you mention the popularity of the Renaissance films, since one argument I've heard against the Disney films from the Dark Age is that they weren't good enough. At least that is pretty evident is how badly films like Atlantis, Brother Bear and Home on the Range were received. But at least one thing that I genuinely appreciated from the Dark Age is that there were some variety and that Disney took some risks. Personally I thought Lilo & Stitch and Brother Bear were the worst from that era, despite that they had their perks. The others were fine, even the much maligned Home on the Range, though I don't count Chicken Little from that era.
True. It's funny how this Revival era has mirrored the Reniassance era, but at least the Revival era didn't have a Pocahontas that caused it's downfall. But remember that the final trailer for Frozen named it "it's biggest event since The Lion King". And several reviewers compared to it as well.That's nice that you've learned to appreciate The Lion King again. I've heard people with similar situations, where they really loved a movie, eventually distanced themselves from it as they grew up, before learning to love it again. I do have to admit though that when Frozen became such a big deal, I was very happy that it had supplanted The Lion King as the public's favorite Disney movie. After two decades of hearing every film compared to The Lion King it was quite refreshing but now it's only been a few years since Frozen has come out, and I'm already tired of every film being compared to that so clearly be careful what you wish for.
Really? That's strange, since I thought Big Hero 6 had a wider appeal, due to it being a superhero movie without being a musical.When Big Hero 6 came out, I was in my last year of high school and I had a friend who made a comment saying "who watches cartoons like that" lol. I thought that after Frozen, which was almost universally loved in my high school, that people would be more appreciative of future Disney films but clearly not. Then again, I'm not sure this girl even watched Frozen so maybe she wasn't a reliable person to get testimony from.
Me neither.Ironically enough, I don't think I even knew who Idina Menzel was when I watched Enchanted.
Yeah and what's a pity is that Christophe Beck is returning and will probably reuse the same musical themes the first one had.I agree that Frozen's score is completely forgettable. I can't remember any significant scene from the score alone unlike Menken's scores.
Haha, first time I hear that Elsa gets compared to Aurora. Speaking of which, what makes Elsa unique among the Disney Princesses is how she basically becomes a Queen. However, Elsa really comes across as more mature and poised than the regular Disney Princess. But I still think it's a pity that neither her nor Anna won't join the official franchise, when they were after all made for it (let's be honest, because that's true).I also agree that Elsa isn't nearly as complex as the Beast, which I blame on bad storytelling and frankly a lack of emphasis on Elsa's character and development. She gets treated more like a plot device at times, much like Aurora.
Oh, I know all about the depression theories with Elsa. And frankly I can see the paralells, since I was through a serious depression at the time (due to my brother's suicide). But that's what makes it a pity that Elsa's characterization is reduced.I'm not too surprised that she blew up the way she did, with her hair, dress, song, powers, plus the way that different groups can imprint themselves onto her (those suffering from depression or other forms of mental illness, the LGBT community, etc.) I'm sure to hear that Frozen came out during a dark period in your life. I know that has a tendency to taint one's perception of anything that coincided with that period.
Oh, I remember when those posters were leaked and Disney claimed they were fake . At least they looked better on those posters, though I initially thought that Elsa looked like a character from Tinker Bell's Pixie Hollow . As for Anna vs. Rapunzel, though I never went gaga for Rapunzel, I thought she was better than Anna, who was a little too over the top at times. I feel that Moana is better than both of them, despite that I never went gaga for her either, but she was likable and energetic enough to make herself notable.I hated the character designs for Frozen as well when they were first released in those posters that people kept debating the legitimacy of. Anna looked like Rapunzel 2.0 although her personality and character was more endearing to me than Rapunzel's ever was.
At least the characters from Tangled looked better in 2D than in 3D, but mostly thanks to being drawn by Master Glen Keane.I do think the character designs look better in the concept art, particularly when they're rendered in 2D.
Fair enough. I've heard some theories that Elsa is probably going to have more screentime, due to her popularity.I'm curious to see if Frozen's sequel will top the first or if it'll be a case like Avengers: Age of Ultron where it couldn't quite reach the heights of its predecessor. I don't mind the Frozen shorts but they all seem to have the same premise: Elsa feels guilty that she can't provide Anna with something because of her past and then sulks. Anna (and Olaf and company) have to cheer her up to save the day and then Elsa has some sort of revelation and they all celebrate. If this is what Elsa is going to be like in the sequel, constantly moping, then I'd rather her part be limited like in the first Frozen.
And many people here thought he was underwhelming.I'm not surprised that we both have similar views on Hans. Actually I've noticed a lot of people here really liked Hans before his villain reveal.
You should, it's very good.I never saw Megamind. It looked incredibly dull from the trailers and like typical CGI fare. I suppose I shouldn't judge the movie just from that though.
Agreed. Pixar can make a masterpiece now and both, but overall I felt that Pixar become too overhyped and overrated by both critics and fanboys. It seems as people were praising Pixar's formula and components to be foolproof and flawless (and I know how biased and hostile Pixar fanboys can be). I think it's unfair that Pixar gets praised at the expense of Disney, when both studios should've been perceived as good at their own right.I do like Pixar, especially since I grew up in the early 2000s and most of Disney's films back then paled in comparison to the Pixar ones. However, I do think Pixar is highly overrated and I don't like the way that general audiences dismiss Disney for Pixar. As if everything good that Disney created since The Lion King is automatically Pixar. Luckily that mentality has slowly started to fade away but it still exists in many circles.
When Pixar's downfall began to start, people were blaming Disney for it's downfall. I guess the swap may be fair, due to how Disney were the king of animation during many years, but I still find it ridiculous that Pixar is praised. And yes, I've noticed that the mentality has started to fade, but still...
I know, right? It's funny how a few months can make a differenceI forgot to mention that the ending of Frozen was another reason I especially loved it. The idea that it wasn't True Love's Kiss that saved the day but instead it was a sisterly act. Anna even notices Kristoff and he's the only one who can save her life, but she chooses to use her last few moments to rescue her sister instead. Having come right after Once Upon a Time, whose Season 1 finale ended on a similar note with True Love's Kiss being between a mother and her son, I was quite won over by this ending. However, by the time Maleficent came out a few months later, this felt overplayed and unoriginal.
Perhaps it was promoted due to Condon being gay himself?I think the main controversy came because the director announced that LeFou was gay. Most people wouldn't even notice it in the film, but because attention was drawn to the issue, that's what caused an uproar. I'm not sure why Condon felt the need to promote it either. The film already had everything going for it so it wasn't like they needed to provide more promotion or another reason to convince moviegoers to come and watch this movie.
At least we can say about BATB is that it's basically a carbon copy of it's animated version, whereas Cinderella and The Jungle Book at least tried to be their own movies, while paying nods to their original. I guess Aladdin may be a carbon copy, but I dislike the casting of Will Smith as the Genie. I thought they've could've getting someone else, who had the sensibility and the manic as Williams.I am looking forward to Aladdin but I hope it's more in the vein of Cinderella and The Jungle Book than BATB.
Otherwise, do you think the live action versions of The Jungle Book and Cinderella were as good as their predecessors?
Agreed. When I first saw Treasure Planet, I found it watchable, but somewhat forgettable. Yet later viewings has made grew to love the film and thinking that it didn't deserve it's dud-reputation. It may not be as frantic and pop culture driven as John Musker and Ron Clements at their very best, but it's a good movie. The animation is wonderful and so is the music.As for Treasure Planet, I actually quite like that movie and think it's an underrated gem. I never watched it in theaters actually. It was one of the few movies of the 2000s that I missed, even though I saw The Emperor's New Groove, Dinosaur, Brother Bear, Atlantis, Chicken Little, etc. but this one really didn't interest me, despite all its promotion. I wasn't very sci-fi oriented back then so that was probably part of the problem and I think I was probably just too young to really care for an action/adventure story since Disney didn't usually make those. I think Jim is a great Disney protagonist, especially considering the "scarcity" of male ones, at least that's what Disney sometimes gets accused of. His relationship with John Silver is really well developed and I like the inclusion of Jim's daddy issues plus the song, I'm Still Here. The voice acting is incredible for pretty much the entire cast and you can tell that there was a lot of love put into every aspect of the film by the cast and crew. It really didn't deserve to bomb the way it dead.
The characters may be a mixed bag, but overall the Silver and Jim-relationship is the heart of the film and rightfully so, despite that I'm not so fond of Jim as a character, since I found him to be awfully bland (sorry to say). And yes, it's pretty daring (and contemporary) how Disney dared to portray a relationship about the father just leaving, which (unfortunately) happens in the real world.
Really? I thought John Carter was generic and forgettable, though. Not bad, but nothing special and memorable. At least Alice in Wonderland was good and I never understood why many people despised it, despite that I never went gaga for it.I feel similarly about John Carter a decade later, which was plagued with similar problems such as a terrible release date and hackneyed promotion. Neither of these films seem to have achieved cult classic status the way that The Nightmare Before Christmas (or even Alice in Wonderland) did, which is a pity. I've heard that John Carter at least broke box office records in Russia.
I did like Brave, but overall the film was a mixed bag for me. The music was absolutely amazing and so were the visuals. However, I thought the first half was superior to the second half. The story was overall too slim and incongruous. I didn't mind the fact that Brave was basically a Disney Princess movie (yes, I'll use that term) packed in a Pixar production, because no matter what naysayers says, both studios are allowed to switch and copy each other properties once in a while. But Brave was flawed on it's own right. Both Merida and Ellinor was basically stereotypes that we've seen previously in such Freaky Friday-premises, despite that they were given some depth, but both were unlikable in their own right.I've heard the same thing about Brave, that they didn't want to lose the beautiful landscapes, which I find plausible enough since the backgrounds are one of Brave's strengths. I also love the songs that are employed in the background. I've said before that I don't really hate Merida the way other people do, because she reminds me of some of my favorite princesses, but she's got a lot of faults still. I agree with the complaint that the women only seem so empowered and feminist because the male characters are turned into absolute buffoons. I've also noticed how ugly they all look, compared to the female characters, maybe because they wouldn't be believable as comic relief characters otherwise. The crude humor and nudity seemed out of place as well. I think the film would have been better if Brenda Chapman had been able to stay on and see her project completed to fruition, but we'll never know. The film has a lot of potential but it didn't live up to it for me. I mentioned earlier that I had been disillusioned with Disney before Frozen, and part of that was because I walked into this film expecting another Pixar classic like Toy Story 3 before it (didn't even realize Cars 2 was released in between lol), but I walked out not particularly hating the movie, but not loving it either.
And yeah, it's remarkable how several movies about female empowerment have a tendency to portray mens as buffoons and that's certainly evident in Mulan.
Cogsworth's wife in BATB was absolutely deplorable. I didn't even know she was supposed to be his wife, but I couldn't stand her character. Every scene she came in made me detest her even more. If I remember, she's the one who spills Belle's laundry, but it's been a while so I can't remember for sure. The one thing I did like though was that women were included as part of the angry mob in BATB since the animated film keeps them sidelined to waving the men goodbye.
OK. I don't remember her, but that's probably the reason for why Cogsworth begs to turn back into a clock
If I'm correct, I remember hearing that while some Native Americans weren't particularly pleased with Disney's Pocahontas, they did take comfort in the fact that some of those kids might end up taking an actual interest in Native American history after watching the movie and then choose to learn about the real Pocahontas. I know something like that was said about Anastasia, but I'm pretty sure that some Native Americans (the ones who didn't outright hate the film and its distortion of history) said something similar. Sounds like you certainly fit that bracket since Pocahontas sparked an interest in you.
True, but that doesn't only applies to Pocahontas, but to most Disney in general. How the movies spark interest to learn about their source materials or the group of people they portray. It was said about Hunchback as well.
However, it's notable that Pocahontas got even more flack than Anastasia for it's historical accuracy problems. Maybe because Pocahontas was touching on American history and was labeled as being mediocre by several people, whereas Anastasia got better reviews.