JeanGreyForever wrote:I love the If I Never Knew You reprise although I'm not sure which one I prefer: the shortened reprise we hear in the extended 10th anniversary film or the concept version that was originally planned and features more verses sung.
I meant the concept version that was initially planned. For me personally, I thought the lovebirds singing the last lines of the song to be more effective and haunting.
Colors of the Wind could function as the showstopping number, although it reminds me more of Circle of Life, considering both are quite epic in their tone and both were used as initial trailers for their respective films. I wish we could have another song like that which is epic enough to be the trailer for a new Disney movie, but those days seem behind us. I'm sure Menken could do it though since he penned one of the two songs that served as a trailer.
Me too. But I remember seeing only the
Colors of the Wind trailer on my
The Lion King VHS and not
The Circle of Life trailer. But if we're actually going to analyze those two trailers, at least the
Wind-trailer was more of an actual trailer, which they showed some random clips that set up the premise in advance, whereas the
Circle-trailer was more straightforward and other clips besides it. Remember that Disney also did the same for
Dinosaur, showing a bit of the opening as a trailer.
I remember reading an article that after Disney had set up Broadway shows for Beauty and the Beast and The Lion King, Pocahontas was next. This was in the late 90s, so somewhere in those years, plans for a Pocahontas show must have been scrapped. Maybe they turned their attention to Hunchback since that was such a huge hit in Germany and they considered adapting it to an English version. Or maybe because Disney got started on Aida, they felt they didn't need another star-crossed lovers musical at the same time. I wish we could have seen Pocahontas on stage though since it's unlikely Disney will adapt it now. They could have chosen that over Aida and focused on making Aida an animated feature instead, before making a stage adaptation.
Really? That's interesting. Thanks for sharing.
Were you more of a Beauty and the Beast fan? There seems to have always been a rivalry between that film and TLM (similar as to how Tangled and Frozen fandoms are usually warring with each other). In my experience, fans who loved The Little Mermaid usually weren't as keen on BATB and vice-versa.
I was never a
Beauty and the Beast fan in my childhood! The film never clicked with me at all when the film was new! I remember my dad buying the VHS for me at Christmas, mostly due to me being a Disney fan, so he probably assumed that I loved it. However, my best childhood friend loved it and I remember seeing it with her and she always asked me if I could give the movie to her. I regret being greedy and not giving it to her
.
My fondness for
Beauty grew when I became older and certainly in my adult years. But I always assumed that
Beauty fans were
Mermaid fans and vise versa. I know many people loves them both, as a friend of mine, if it counts
Stromboli's ethnic background isn't that well known and most people would just associate him with being Italian considering he's got so many stereotypical Italian qualities. I think only Honest John refers to him as a gypsy a few times in the film, otherwise it isn't mentioned. Otherwise, I can see why Frollo would work well with Stromboli and Scar. Ratcliffe I suppose isn't competent enough a leader to be on the same level
Speaking of which, I've always found
Pinocchio's setting to be confusing, though it's been confirmed that it takes place in Italy, but being modeled by a German-esque setting. A headscratcher nonetheless. And yeah, Ratcliffe isn't competent enough
I wasn't aware that there were stereotypes about gay people being overweight.
At least some are, not all of them.
The Shang theories are really popular, especially amongst today's millennial fans (which pretty much compose most of Mulan's fanbase). I've heard them speculate that the reason Shang was cut from the live-action Mulan film was so that Disney could side-sweep the topic of bisexuality. Hence the new character who probably won't be a love interest, or if he will, then he'll only fall for Mulan after he learns her identity.
True. I don't recall hearing those theories back on the movies release. But I've never saw it that way, since there's quite little that even indicates that Shang is even attracted to Mulan as a boy.
thumbelina is a decent film. The film is full of Disney voice actors, mainly from the Musker and Clements films. The animation reminds me of the classic Walt era, which is what Don Bluth wanted, but the CGI integration is really bad especially in some camera shots. I quite love the songs of the film, or all the ones that Jodi Benson is involved in. The prince is also a great character imo but the swallow is really annoying and his song is even worse (although I've grown to like it after hating it for so long lol). I'd give Thumbelina a try especially since I think the whole film is available on YouTube for free. I didn't grow up with Thumbelina as a child either, unlike
Anastasia and The Swan Princess. I only watched it for the first time in the past few years.
I grew up with
The Swan Princess and was on the verge on adolescence when
Anastasia was released. I always wanted to see
Thumberlina, but I've heard so many negative things about it as well.
I love Odette's character and design, even though I think the real Odette should be brunette, and her voice actresses did an amazing job with her. While I like the intro part of how Odette questions Derek if he really loves her beyond her beauty, there is no pay-off to this scene, since right after, she's in love with him again and he doesn't question loving her beyond her beauty either, until the climax of the film where it just feels tacked on. I honestly never even noticed that Odette never grieved for her father, until other people pointed it out. For me, the character's purpose was fulfilled after he died and I suppose I was always more interested in the romantic relationships as a child over the parent-child ones. Especially in a fairy tale film since the father figures are usually either meant to be dead and revered or they are alive and serve as an obstacle to the young princess' dreams and romantic aspirations.
Oh, I have a friend of mine who's really annoyed by the non-grief aspect of Odette and I can see why
. I like Odette, she's decent enough and her voice is lovely, but her arc is hampered by bad writing, because of aforementioned reasons. Unfortunately she just becomes a damsel in distress at the very end. And I've noticed that Derek has many haters because of his shallow "what else"-comment.