Beauty & the Beast original colors - in upcoming platinu

[SWillie!]

Well, I wouldn't say THAT

[geniuswalt]

...so can anyone share the 3d transfer in 2D?

[Disney_freak]

Disney has uploaded a picture on their facebook of a screencap from the movie, it looks to be the original colors because they look lighter.

[PatrickvD]

The image is still very bright, but the colors look about right.

[MickeyMouseboy]

Are the colors show are from the bluray included in the 3D set or the 3D disc?

[The_Iceflash]

Isn't the only reason the 2d and 3d blurays are different is because they have to bump the saturation and brightness because of the dark effect of 3d glasses?

No. I've seen The Lion King 2D and 3D transfers right next to each other and they look exactly the same. I own the Toy Story 2D and 3D releases and outside of a slight increase in brightness, they're exactly the same. Beauty and the Beast actually changes the colors between releases and fixes an editing mistake. It's a whole new transfer, WAY more then a slight adjustment to counter the effects of wearing 3D glasses.

Duster I think you might be losin your mind a little The 3d one IS brighter than the 2d one.

Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Without the nasty looking tints over everything, the contrast improves tenfold, with the blacks getting black and the whites get white for once. Certain aspects of the images are brighter, certain parts are darker. It all varies by scene and by how much the tint was screwing it all up:

I'm going to say the 2D because the colors and lighting have to be adjusted for the 3D.

Well I'm going to say the 3D one, since that's the transfer they spent millions of dollars converting to 3D and it was the one that was in theaters. Not to mention, in that same article where he was talking about the restoration he was also talking about the 3D conversion that was part of it. The 2D version basically just carried over the Platinum Edition colors and tweaked the contrast so it didn't look washed out. The fact that the 3D version, the one they spent time and money on, has such radically different colors and has the correct edit (making it the only faithful transfer of the theatrical release) makes me think this is the one they supervised and were talking about.

We're still ignoring the fact that compromises needed to be made for 3D. The 2D isn't just carried over DVD colors with tweaked contrast. 2D is the standard in restoration importance. 3D isn't.

It's almost like we're trying to find something wrong with it and creating a problem where there isn't one.

[Marky_198]

Here is something to consider: the first shows... mainly belle coming from the house, and the baker coming toward the camera...

In the VHS and LD it looks like the characters are in the light... in the BD and 3D... doesnt it look like they are being somewhat backlit? Like the background is a lot lighter than the characters?

That's one of my biggest problems too.

What I love so much about the LD and VHS versions (and the screenshots of all the books I have from that time and the trailers on recent dvd's), is the fact that the lighting looks so real, it makes the characters and film almost look like live action. Almost like the old paintings you see in musea.

The dvd and Blu ray versions have this lighting sucked out of it, it looks like a flat saturday morning cartoon because of that. It also makes the image look more childish? It really is a shame.
When Belle leaves the house, you see the light hitting her face, and her left cheek is in the shade. In the Blu ray her whole face is just dark and flat.

It has all to do with sources of light. There is also this comparison of Cinderella running down the stairs, where in the LD version there comes a warm glow from out of the palace, in the BD version it is just flattened out, gone, the whole image looks just grey and flat, no sources of light anymore.

Conclusion: The restoration process removes the illusion of sources of light in these films, and therefore sucks the life out of it. They need to find a way to fix this.

[Marky_198]

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[jpanimation]

We're still ignoring the fact that compromises needed to be made for 3D. The 2D isn't just carried over DVD colors with tweaked contrast. 2D is the standard in restoration importance. 3D isn't.

It's almost like we're trying to find something wrong with it and creating a problem where there isn't one.

I'm having a real hard time figuring out what you just said but I think you said the 3D restoration isn't important. Is that right? The 3D and 2D restoration are the same thing and should really just be considered the HD theatrical restoration, since it was also shown in theaters in 2D during the 3D re-release with the exact same transfer.

Not sure why the 2D Blu-ray didn't share this restoration and used the old Platinum colors instead.

[Dragonlion]

I just saw this video on Youtube of the first 18 minutes of the movie, apparently from the 3D Blu-Ray. It's horribly stretched, but the colors look great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=Lm2 ... =endscreen

[Kyle]

Click the 3D button, change it to side by side mode. It wont be stretched.

[The_Iceflash]

We're still ignoring the fact that compromises needed to be made for 3D. The 2D isn't just carried over DVD colors with tweaked contrast. 2D is the standard in restoration importance. 3D isn't.

It's almost like we're trying to find something wrong with it and creating a problem where there isn't one.

I'm having a real hard time figuring out what you just said but I think you said the 3D restoration isn't important. Is that right? The 3D and 2D restoration are the same thing and should really just be considered the HD theatrical restoration, since it was also shown in theaters in 2D during the 3D re-release with the exact same transfer.

Not sure why the 2D Blu-ray didn't share this restoration and used the old Platinum colors instead.

You just said the 2D and 3D restoration is the same and then you said it isn't. The comparisons show that the 2D Blu-ray is far from a carbon copy of the Platinum Colors. Not the same.

Also, my last line of the quote you posted is of particular importance to this whole thread.

[jpanimation]

While I'm still not exactly sure what you said in your previous post, I'll be glad to clarify what I said. There was an HD restoration guided by Don Hahn that was also converted to 3D. This was shown in theaters in both 2D and 3D with the proper colors and no special edition transition scenes included and subsequently released on Blu-ray exclusively in 3D. Then there is the 2D Blu-ray, which just can't be explained, with the Platinum colors and special edition transition scene mistakenly left in that obviously isn't the same restoration that Don Hahn oversaw for theatrical release.

[Marky_198]

What I loved so much about this film is the atmosphere and the lighting.

In the original version, the illusion of lighting was amazing, in this scene you could almost smell the morning.
In the restored version, there is none of that.

What could be the solution to a restoration that does not suck all the life out of a film?

What did they do to this version, used in trailers on dvd? Which are probably the original caps files?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJOoEQAs9-U

[SWillie!]

Forgive me but, which is which again? I very much prefer the one on the right with the warmer colors.

[Elladorine]

Forgive me but, which is which again? I very much prefer the one on the right with the warmer colors.

Blasphemy!!! You prefer the one WITH THE WRONG COLORS!!!!!

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

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Perhaps I should just stay out of this thread, but I'd like to reiterate what I said ages ago . . .

The film makers weren't able to accurately reproduce the digital colors onto film stock as originally seen in their monitors. There were extremely tight deadlines for the film's original release, and CAPS was still a relatively new system to the artists. Heh, and just try converting back and forth between digital and optical media without seeing drastic changes in color, it's much more difficult than most would realize.

People can believe what they want, but it was the director's intention to restore the film's palette to what they had originally created on their monitors back in 1991 but were initially unable to bring to the big screen. Pulling directly from the CAPS source would not produce the LD or VHS "original" colors, nor even the colors seen in the first theatrical release, as they were shifted during the original transfer. Anyone can argue that the palette originally experienced by audiences back in 1991 should be the "correct" one, but the director has final say and it's something that I respect.

[Disney's Divinity]

I do respect a director's right to present the film the way they want on re-releases, perhaps as an optional version, but I also respect consumers enough that they should be able to buy the film that inspired the purchase. I've mostly ignored this topic, but I still do feel like directors changing things in re-releases on whim, especially for very popular films, is extremely ridiculous. What would be the line? Would they cast someone new in a role because they originally wanted this voice but s/he wasn't available at the time, but "now we have our film the way we always envisioned"?

I do prefer the darker colors by far, but thankfully I was never a huge B&tB fan (or Cinderella fan, since that movie's been tampered with as well). Still, I can understand why many fans get irritated by it; I know I would be if it happened to TLM.

[cms382]

The old side of that comparison is ever so slightly blown out, but curiously not the degree that would result in the BD side's colors.
Also the white part of Belle's outfit is closer to neutral on the left, even though the rest of the environment in warmer, whereas it's tinted warmer on the right.
The BD of Rescuers Down Under comes from and I can't imagine that the colors were intended to be much more vibrant than they are. Miss Bianca's blush is very sensitive.

[Marky_198]

Swillie and Enigmawing, this is not about colors.

It's about the fact that it looks like she is walking indoors in the BD.

[SWillie!]

Walt Disney Treasure, this is not about colors.

It's about the fact that it looks like she is walking indoors in the BD.

A feeling which... is given off... by... the colors??