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Tascar wrote:
2099net wrote:It was also a "chepquel" - made on a much lower budget, in less time than usual and made mainly as a proof-of-concept of Disney's (then) new CAPS system. That's also why it was the first "sequel" - Disney wanted to put something out for a reasonably low cost to test the system, and still be able to get a decent return. Hey. presto - a sequel to one of their more popular films in recent times (especially overseas). There was no deep artistic reason for a Rescuers sequel. It just fitted in with their plans.
You are probably right. But at least the film was used as a testing ground for new technology. I don't think that can be said of any of the recent DTV cheapquels. In addition, I have to at least credit them for making a sequel off of just about the only Disney animated feature that could support a sequel.
Well, I'll admit Disney's sequels do seem to be illogical. They do tend to sequel stuff which perhaps aren't the best choices. But there are (still) loads of films Disney can sequelise legitimately:

Bambi can actually have a sequel rather than a mid-quel as the original author wrote a series of books (but I believe the film is more than one book)

Adventures Of Mr Toad - this is tricky, but The Willows In Winter was written and, although not by the original author, was approved by his estate.

Peter Pan (Personally I liked Return to Never Land) But Great Ormand Street are comissioning an official sequel now, for publication before the end of 2006.

Lady and the Tramp - I thought using Scamp as the main character was OK, being as Scamp has a 40+ history in print in various Disney comics and books.

The Sword In The Stone - It may not be as popular as some of the other films, but there is a whole series of books.

Robin Hood - Lots of fables and legends about Robin Hood were not told in the Disney version. Perhaps it would have to be a mid-quel.

The Black Cauldron - Again, there is a whole series of books. Perhaps Disney should think about trying this being as Fantasy is riding high at the moment.

The Great Mouse Detective - Again, a whole series of books.

Tarzan - Again, a whole series of books is available (the first was a very loose adaptation of the first book). That said, the books soon become loopy and unsuitable for Disney films. But there is certainly a tradition for continuing Tarzan stories (I must say, I am confused by Disney's decision to do a mid-quel. Young Tarzan was no where near as popular as adult Tarzan in our house).

Atlantis, Treasure Planet, Brother Bear - all of these modern films were probably made with the idea of a sequel in mind. I know Atlantis had a 'proper' sequel planned (and advertised in the DVD flyer) and I think I read that a TV series was planned for Treasure Planet. Unlike some people here, I actually think a sequel for Brother Bear has more potential than the original - there's so many questions raised by the ending that could be answered in a continuation.
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2099net wrote:I know Atlantis had a 'proper' sequel planned (and advertised in the DVD flyer)
Yeah, "Shards of Chaos" would have been a DTV sequel to segueway from the movie to the "Team Atlantis" TV series. Production on the TV series had already begun: scripts were done and dialog had already been recorded for the first season. When the movie tanked, Disney killed it before it could be animated.

But since they had enough material already done before production was halted, it appears as though Disney figured they could at least milk the public for money by making a DTV sequel. The reason the ending for "Milo's Return" is so awkward and rushed is that Greg Weisman had already written story arcs beyond the first season.

I personally think that if production had been allowed to finish, the series would have found success where the feature film didn't.
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Voiceroy wrote:
2099net wrote:I know Atlantis had a 'proper' sequel planned (and advertised in the DVD flyer)
Yeah, "Shards of Chaos" would have been a DTV sequel to segueway from the movie to the "Team Atlantis" TV series. Production on the TV series had already begun: scripts were done and dialog had already been recorded for the first season. When the movie tanked, Disney killed it before it could be animated.

But since they had enough material already done before production was halted, it appears as though Disney figured they could at least milk the public for money by making a DTV sequel. The reason the ending for "Milo's Return" is so awkward and rushed is that Greg Weisman had already written story arcs beyond the first season.

I personally think that if production had been allowed to finish, the series would have found success where the feature film didn't.
Oh yes. I love Team Atlantis! (I want a Team Atlantis/Tarzan crossover. They're about the same time period).
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Let's see... well.... I only own <b>The Lion King 1 1/2</b> if we're only talking about <b>direct-to-video</b> sequels.
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ok here are two sequel-reloaded answers:

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Kram Nebuer wrote:Here is what I would like to see produced (provided it is well done) since their written versions have sequels or additional story:
Alice in Wonderland
Although I'm not all that hot on Disney sequels, I wouldn't mind Alice getting a sequel, as long as it's not some cheesy Alice doesn't believe in herself during World War 1 plop-fest. :roll:

Anyway, I personally don't own any Disney sequels. I have seen some, and even as a kid, I wasn't all that impressed with them (The Lion King 2 is not great :wink: ). I actually hated them so much, I started a satire thread about them. I've overcome my fear of them a bit, and I'm thinking about renting some,
although for now, I don't think that I'll buy. Are The Little Mermaid 2, Mulan 2 and Lady and the Tramp 2 good?

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Just the Aladdin sequels because....


The only ones I've seen that I have liked are The Lion King ones and The Little Mermaid one. But I won't be buying them either; altough I feel tempted.

For me the only "trilogy" that matters is Aladdin.
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Tascar wrote:When you watch the Disney documentaries and hear all the hype and fuss about the rich Disney tradition and its grand proud legacy, it becomes all the more ridiculous to think about how Disney has now disgressed to the point where it relies on (and has now junked all feature 2-D animation except) these low-budget sequels that are being made for no reason other than quick money.
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I know you aren't supposed to answer a question with a question, but here goes. Why would anyone waste money on a movie that hasn't been shown in theatres, like these stupid sequels?

I think that if we all boycotted these sequels they would have to come up with some other way of getting these films out to the public and show them in the theatres. First, they are, for the most part, inferior to the originals. There are a couple of exceptions, as there are most of the time to any rule. I liked "Return to Neverland" even though the original voice actors are mostly dead or too old to use their voice. The animation wasn't too bad. But then there is "Jungle Book 2", no matter how much I like John Goodmand, a Phil Harris he is not. Balu needs the right voice, and Goodman's isn't it.

I was so glad to hear they dumped plans for "Dumbo 2", but now they are taking about "Bambi 2", and so many other sequels that I have lost count. What has happened to originality in Hollywood?

I, for one, will not waste my hard-earned money on inferior titles like "Mulan 2", "Pocahontas 2", "Cinderella 2", and all the other 2's that they are planning. C'mon give us some quality stories and if you don't think they are good enough for the movie theater what makes you think they are good enough for home video?

Sorry for the rant. Just my opinion.

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dvdjunkie wrote:I know you aren't supposed to answer a question with a question, but here goes. Why would anyone waste money on a movie that hasn't been shown in theatres, like these stupid sequels?
What? So the worth of a movie is judged by if it went theatrical or not? I suppose The Lizzie McGuire movie is an artistic tour-de-force then.
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dvdjunkie wrote:I know you aren't supposed to answer a question with a question, but here goes. Why would anyone waste money on a movie that hasn't been shown in theatres, like these stupid sequels?
What about TV movies, should we avoid them simply because they were never theatrical?
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Wow intreasting question. I actually own a lot of the sequals both on DVD and VHS and enjoy some of them more than others every now and then. Not every time that I turn on my tv and pop in a DVD do I expect to see beauty and perfection.

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101 Dalmations II: Patch's London Adventure
Aladdin and the King of Thieves
Hunchback of Notre Dame II: The Secret of the Bell
Mickey's House of Villains
Tarzan and Jane
Stitch the Movie
Lion King II: Simba's Pride
Lion King 1 1/2
Aladdin: The Return of Jafar
Princess Diaires 2: A Royal Enagement
Mickey's Twice Upan a Christmas

VHS
An Extremely Goofy Movie
Beauty and the Beast: Belle's Magical World
Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas
Cinderella II: Dreams Come True
Lady and the Tramp II: Scamp's Adventure
Little Mermaid II: Return to the Sea
Mickey's Magical Christmas: Snowed In At The House of Mouse
Mickey's Once Upon A Christmas
Pocahontas II: Journey to the New World
Pooh's Grand Adventure: The Search for Christopher Robin
Return to Neverland
Tarzan and Jane
Tigger Movie
Winne The Pooh: A Very Merry Pooh Year
Winnie The Pooh: Frankenpooh/Spookable Pooh


Okay so there is my l;ist I think I covered most of it :D Lol.

I am debating wethere or not I wantr Mulan 2 I was a bit dissapointed about it good but not as great as it seemed ,and I know for sure I am going to buy Stitch has a gitch cause I love the little blue guy.
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You'd be surprised of those direct to video movies that are actually quite good:

The Prophecy trilogy comes to mind.


Also, how about the countless movie junk that go to theaters? Like Kung Pow, Jason X or House of the Dead?
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You don't understand 2099net, "The Lizzie McGuire Movie' was garbage from the beginning. Hilary Duff is one of the bigger no talents foisted upon us in the past years. Along with Ashley Simpson, Britney Spears, those two Simple Life tramps, Hilary and her sister belong somewhere else. Their fifteen minutes of fame has been exhausted for too many months.

Television movies are just that. We are talking about sequels here, I thought. In my collection, and I will say very reluctantly, but I do have seven grandkids to consider, I have:

Return of Jafar (hate it because of no Robin Williams and too much Gilbert Gottfried)

Aladdin and the King of Thieves (just a very well done movie)

Lady and the Tramp 2 (Because we have the original in widescreen on VHS)

Jungle Book 2 (my wife insisted on getting it because we have the first one)

The Lion King 1 and a half (I am a Timon and Pumba fan)

That's all that is in my collection as far as 'bum' sequels go.

And I for sure wouldn't get caught with any of the "Lizzie McGuire" shows in my collection.

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Just to prove I don't have an agenda against sequels or that I'm on some sort of crusade to bring followers to my evil I hate sequels cult...

I own a few...

The Rescuers Down Under - My favourite of their sequels.
The Return of Jafar
Aladdin and the King of Thieves
Mulan II
Fantasia 2000
The Lion King II
The Lion King 1 1/2

Ones I want are:
An Extremely Goofy Movie
The Pooh sequels

I will probably also get the Brother Bear one since I like Rutt & tuke so much.

I can see some sequels being made for movies that warrant them, just like any movie. I'm hoping for another Goofy movie eventually but I'd like it if they focused on a Donald one perhaps. Fantasia sequels are another series I'm all for but down the road so it's more for the experience and not the money like the second one.
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