I know this is completely Deja Vu, but once again, sorry for my late reply. Though it's not as late as it could've been, but nonetheless

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You're right that descendants of Native Americans can be white. I certainly know considering the amount of white people in my school who would go around talking about their Native American ancestry.
OK. Many white Americans does that, though. It's truly a pity what history has done to the Native Americans.
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Lol, if you found the dialogue and overall sentiment hokey, then you probably wouldn't be a fan of the Peter Pan book because much of the dialogue is lifted word for word. And the overall tone of the film comes from the book as well which is very much meant to be addressed to a small child who still believes in fairies. In which case, probably you won't like those early Disney Fairies books either. Did you find the characters in the 2003 live-action Peter Pan more unlikable and unrelatable as compared to their Disney counterparts? For me it was the opposite, because I used to be fine with the Disney versions until I saw the 2003 film and then that soured my impressions on the Disney characters because they couldn't hold up.
Oh, that's a pity, I was looking so much forward to the Disney Fairies book series

I found the characters from the 2003 version to be more unlikable, to be honest. But do you remember the
Peter Pan series from Saban? Peter was definitively both selfish and callous there.
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It's actually a deep regret of mine that I can no longer look at the Disney Peter Pan film with love and adoration anymore because all I see is wasted potential but I have felt better about it because of how so many people online (including on this forum) have talked about how Disney's Peter Pan is really one of Walt's worst films and hasn't aged as well as the rest of the movies he made.
Well, the problem with Walt's
Peter Pan is despite that it's deliberately about adult- vs. childhood, it still never fulfills it's potential. It has a premise that calls for development and arcs for the characters, yet very little of them do develop. The most overt ones are Wendy, who frankly becomes a surrogate adult at the end, and George Darling's, who's hatred for Pan is at least logically set up and his final arc is quite subdued, yet satisfying.
Peter Pan was perhaps not one of my true favorites as a child, yet I used to watch it regularly and I enjoyed it for what it was. As an adult I don't find it awful, but perhaps not right for it's time, since were it made today, it would've developed the characters more. I know that Walt was overall dissatisfied with the film, because it lacked heart and the characterization of Peter himself. Yet
Peter Pan was more praised by the Disney artists and Disney historians than
Alice in Wonderland was.
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It's funny how that scene with Belle in Hunchback also features the Carpet and Pumbaa.
True, but at least it was harder to see Pumbaa. I know there were rumors about Pumbaa being one of the Gargoyles on the Cathedral, but I think it's was an actual Gargoyle.
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Scar had quite a prominent cameo as you said but his always felt seamless. Yeah, Easter Eggs in general are pretty popular for all films these days so I'm not surprised that Disney makes a bigger deal out of them then they used to (which always felt more like they were created for the animators themselves rather than the audience).
True. I know
Pocahontas was going to have Genie's lamp among the junk that Meeko has on Grandmother Willow, but it was cut out. I know it was due to how desperately Disney was trying to be serious with that movie, but I think the Genie lamp could've worked. I'm surprised that
Mulan didn't have any Easter egg at all.
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Yeah, Flounder was disappointing in Moana. I'm still surprised they flat-out mentioned Sebastian in the end-credits scene but I guess Moana already had some very meta commentary like the princess reference and their next film (WIR2) would only jump on that bandwagon even more. It's a good thing Sebastian's reference is kept till the end because that's another example (at least to me) of a lesser film referencing a far superior one. It totally makes me want to switch movies to the better film being referenced, in this case TLM so Sebastian not being mentioned until literally the very end prevents from the danger of viewers switching films halfway through.
To be honest, I thought that Sebastian reference was cute on the nose and frankly superior to the Princess-comment from Maui earlier. I made totally sense, but I hated Tamatoa. I hated his design and characterization, though ironically enough, he had the very best song of the film. But fortuntately he was just an episodic cameo and not so much a part of the story.
And yeah, of course
Mermaid is superior to
Moana, yet frankly
Moana had very obvious cues to
Mermaid. I know we've talked about how derivative Disney are, but the
Mermaid-influence on
Moana was quite overt and obvious. Some claimed that it was due to how it was Musker and Clements last movie together and therefore it was a call back to their very iconic sea-movie.
I know there was a review that claimed that
Hercules was essentially a remake of
Mermaid with a male protagonist:
http://www.reelviews.net/search/Hercules. However, while
Moana was far from great, it still was a fairly decent movie and did have a couple of good components.
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I'm not that surprised that I love Pocahontas, Hunchback, and Tarzan because they parallel with TLM, BATB, and TLK (and as you said Tarzan sorta draws from both TLK and Pocahontas).
Really? You love
Tarzan as well? I thought it wasn't right up your alley, due to it not being primarily a drama.
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Weird that I love Aladdin but not its direct parallel, Hercules. As many people say, Hercules is Aladdin on steroids so maybe that's why. The comic relief works in Aladdin because even though the Genie comes to dominate the middle part of the film, he has a lot of heart to him as well unlike any of the comic relief in Hercules. And one character (or two if you count Iago) is still pretty balanced for Aladdin whereas literally every character in Hercules, major and minor, are constantly whipping out zinger lines.
Well said. I know many people think
Hercules is frenetic, due to how everything about it scream pop culture references, yet the difference between it and
Aladdin is how Genie and Iago are basically the only characters that calls for it, whereas everything in
Hercules snaps zinger lines. Yet I felt that
Hercules is still more mellow and sappy than
Aladdin was. I didn't know that you liked
Aladdin as well.
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The Zeus in Hercules has a strong resemblance to the Zeus in Fantasia which is probably what they were more closely referencing. But you're right that Triton and Zeus have a lot in common design-wise and it's even more obvious with Ursula and Hades and even Genie and Phil. If I'm correct, Eric Goldberg animated Phil so that's another connection to the Genie.
Yeah, Triton and Zeus comparisons may be shallow, but they do somewhat resemble each other. Perhaps Ursula and Hades aren't exact replicas, but they do have a similar color scheme and both are comical villains. Eric Goldberg animated both Genie and Phil. It's remarkable that he's animated comedic sidekicks, yet he seems to praise Genie most. Perhaps due to that it probably was more fun to do the Genie, since he could morph into different characters.
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Jasmine, Esmeralda, and Meg tend to get compared a lot to each other, not just for being strong-willed and spitfires but also for the fact that all three very sexualized (Jasmine seducing Jafar, Frollo desiring Esmeralda, Meg seducing Hercules).
True. Lindsay Ellis (former Nostalgia Chick) has stated how the non-Caucasian Disney heroines in the 90's were way more sexualized than the white ones, yet I never thought of it before she said it. With the exception of Mulan, of course. While Meg is still Caucasian, she's still quite sexualized, as you said.
Yeah, it's fair to draw those comparisons between Jasmine, Esmeralda and Meg, since they're all seductive (to be fair, Esmeralda has her seductive qualities, since she has a slight moment where she seduces Frollo). But at least Jasmine and Esmeralda are more likely to be comparable, since they visually resemble each other (after all, they stem from a similar race). Yet regarding Meg's seducing moment, I thought it was
extremely steamy and I'm surprised that it hasn't gotten as much flack.
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I think another hair color for Melody would be problematic though because if she has blonde or brown hair, suddenly it'll be weird for little kids that she has no resemblance whatsoever to either of her parents. It's not like Ariel's sisters are really well known or iconic enough in design to explain for why merpeople all look different from each other. I always felt Melody's design was skillfully done because she resembled a healthy mix of both her parents whereas usually a child is designed to completely resemble only one parent.
Fair enough. Just wondering, do you like
The Little Mermaid II, btw?
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Tbh, all the CGI women look alike to me. Oops, you're right about Rapunzel's mother's name. I don't watch the TV series but I remember they gave her a name so when I was referencing her, I originally planned on just calling her Rapunzel's mother before thinking that I better use her real name. For some reason I thought Primrose was her given name, probably because the fandom used to use that for fanfics and fanart before the TV series. I forgot that Arianna was her given name. I think the King is called Frederic but I don't remember what the fandom used to call him.
Yup, he's called Frederic, as proven by Google. To be honest, I've never watched the series either, since the animation looks horrible and far from appealing.
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Honestly when I first saw Anna, I thought it was fanmade because it really did look like a poor redressing of Rapunzel. I was not pleased when I heard that Anna and Elsa's leaked images were in fact real since Elsa looked like a Disney Fairies reject like we said earlier.
True, they looked fanmade, though I remember that people said that Anna looked too much like a Rapunzel-look-a-like. But people weren't too keen about those pictures, anyway. But at least they looked better in those leaked pictures than they've done for the leaks of their sequel. I thought Moana was frankly the best looking of the Revival Princess, since she had some traits of an hand drawn character.
Btw, here are the articles about how some parents were baffled over Elsa's popularity;
https://www.oregonlive.com/living/2014/10/halloween_princesses_prefer_fr.html.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/elsa-dominates-anna-in-frozen-merchandise-sales-1415131605Quote:
Oh don't worry, I didn't feel you were trashing Violet. As I said before, you're entitled to your own opinions and I hope you don't feel that you have to hide your feelings towards a film, character, song, etc. that you dislike just because I like it or vice-versa. I liked Incredibles 2 a lot but if you weren't a fan of the original then there probably isn't much about this film to recommend itself to you.
Aaaaw, thanks

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Yeah, Riley was very boring and even unlikable (although that part may have been on purpose because of how out of balance she is with Joy and Sadness fighting for dominion over her). Honestly, I think even a tertiary character like Andy resonates more than Riley ever did. I understand your point about Sadness' own arc. I'm curious if the makers ever thought about more carefully balancing her storyline with Joy's or if the plan was always to just focus on Joy's development.
Agreed, Riley was not particularly likable and was even a brat at times. And the comparison to Andy is at least legit, due to how Andy serves as being a similar archetype, yet Andy was at least more tolerable and enhanced, since he at least had a connection to Woody and their relationship was heartfelt and genuine.
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Sorry, what I meant to say earlier was that Elena was successful enough that Disney sees the merits in having a film based on a Hispanic princess. So Elena's popularity has paved the way for an actual Hispanic princess in a real Disney film rather than just a TV show. I realize from the way I worded it before that it sounded like I was saying that Disney felt Elena was popular enough that they should make a cinematic film for her.
That's all right. I know there has been several pleas about Disney having a Hispanic Princess, nonetheless, as there is for every nation, to be honest.
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The thing about Brandy's Cinderella was that it wasn't based on the Disney version but the Rodgers and Hammerstein musical. Because Disney was making it though, they probably decided to change the dress (which is white in the original) to the blue that most people associate Cinderella with. It was never a direct adaptation or remake of the classic 1950 film the way the new Mermaid film is supposed to be.
Well said. It's hard to believe that Brandy was just eighteen when the film was released.