More specifically, there is an American Congresswoman, Elizabeth Warren who has some Native American ancestry so Trump denigrates her by calling her Pocahontas. Interestingly enough, the real life Pocahontas has a rich descendant who is a Trump supporter.DisneyFan09 wrote: So Trump refers to Native Americans as Pocahontas? I didn't know.
You're right about her position, but The Three Commentears has a different take. In their commentary for the film, they mention that Disney's version was their introduction to Pocahontas (at least for the two of them). Which was actually the case for me, however. I remember seeing a teaser for the movie in January 1995 (on The Aristocats VHS), without knowing anything about her ethnicity. When I learned that she was a Native American, my thought was that she didn't look like the stereotype of one (since Native Americans can look like different ethnicities) and due to the progressions of depicting non-White, exotic regions with Aladdin and The Lion King, Pocahontas felt regressive, since Disney had explored the Native American community before in what has now become a predominant White environment (*cough, Peter Pan, cough*).
But to be fair, Pocahontas is about non-Caucasian people after all, so it passes for it. And please don't hate me for my non-politically correct comment, I'm just summarizing what my thoughts were at a child (because I do feel genuniely sorry for the stereotypical portrayals of Native Americans in Hollywood). I can link you that teaser, if you want to; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO9dPoXYWNc
Really? I didn't know about the latter. I guess that (stereotypically) Mulan would have a representation that was suitable (no pun intended), due to being at her own region. But you summarize what has been something that I've analyzed with Mulan lately, that her movie is essentially an adaptation about a story that is not known for a non-Universal audience.
I haven't seen Brave in years either, but regardless of it's problems, I did like it, overall. So I guess it's somewhat of a guilty pleasure
Thanks . But regardless of my previous rants, people do still compare the characters of Pocahontas and Mulan, mostly stereotypically, due to them being non-Caucasian leads. And that's what several critics have rambled about, too.
True, but we have discussed that before. Yet Pocahontas got criticized for the racial stereotypes, more than Hunchback. Besides, Pocahontas has a fair amount of even share of characters that are either Natives or English, whereas in Hunchback most of the characters are white Parisians (with the exception of Esmeralda and Clopin, of course). In fact, Hunchback was too politically correct to portray the gypsies as a persecuted people.
Not quite. Both The Aristocats and The Great Mouse Detective were given specific dates of the years their stories takes places on. The funny thing is that both were released on VHS for the first time in Norway in 1995, so Pocahontas being released theatrically that year followed their synergy . Later on Atlantis would duplicate to cite the year it takes place in. Yet Hunchback's year is never confirmed in the movie.
Yeah, I felt Mulan's part in her sequel was prototypical, but still something that suited her, due to her nature was to somewhat defy her traditions and norms in her first movie, no matter how you put it. And yes, I know Chinese audiences criticized the film and character for being too westernized and perhaps she was that to them. But for a non-Asian, I thought there was plenty of Chinese and Asian flavor in the film. Heck, I felt there was more dedication to steep the film in an Asian culture than Disney done for Europeans cultures (though let's not forget that the creators of Moana wanted to steep their film in Polynesian culture, following the mantra of having their culture swallow the American one).
I know that New Orleans was chosen because of Lasseter. And it's a pity that Disney never managed to fulfill to make their own animated version of Aida. Had it been released at the prime of hand drawn animation, it would've been an intriguing project.
True. I don't hate her royal title with a burning passion, I just find it contrived. But I still remember that the complaints about Tiana's progression and royal weren't that huge. At least from IMDb users, since I used to follow IMDb more at the time. Of course I know about the rants about her not being black enough, but the complaints about the controversy that Tiana represents haven't been as huge, in my opinion. Anika Noni Rose has even talked about it in one of the interviews she did on The View; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apBGGp6vIeM. It's a pity that Sade won't be a hand drawn property.
True, but a secondary character can be fleshed out as well.
Perhaps, but they're obligated to do so, considering that we live in a politically correct, Internet-scrutinizing era. And due to all the havoc Aladdin originally got , it will get more
I know about the complaints about Jasmine's regressive nature, but she was still praised for being independent in her own right. But remember that Ariel was praised of her independence, too.
No, they're translated in Norwegian. In a proper way, though.
Big and big. I do have my nostalgic bias for it, though. And no offense, but I've already replied about Miranda's exclusion; It was a pity, though I didn't utterly despise her exclusion either.
I liked that pairing, due to them being my favorite characters in the show. But I disliked Jackson's overall treatment of Oliver.
To be fair, Miley Cyrus was never downright spiteful and mean towards the rest of the world as the character of Miley Steward. She did a couple of scandals, but were overall not a particularly hostile person. Though I remember that she used to rant (more than any other Hollywood celebrity that I've seen) about haters more than once in her prime (and don't get me wrong, I'm not supporting haters, I'm just citing this objectively). Apparently in 2013 she changed her attitude completely and said that haters kept her motivated. And yes, 2013 was the year where she truly gave controversy a new and overt vision.
It was around that time where I got acquainted to Taylor Swift. Her song was fine, though and it was back then where her music was mostly country influenced. Back at the time, I used to like Taylor, more than now, though her music is still fine, though.
The Climb was not an end credit song, it was a perfomance in the actual movie. But I personally think it should've been an end credit-song, since it didn't fit the movie and just kept slowing it down (in fact, it would've been more reasonant in a more serious and harrowing plot than something as lite as Hannah Montana). It was a hit song back then, but I've always found the melody to be utterly dreadful. Btw, do you like that song?
True, but the Internet was like that a decade ago. I'm glad that I've outgrown the phase of being completely shocked by users hostility and mob mentality. And frankly, the Hannah trolls were my first real exposure to the hostility of IMDb trolls.
No, Macy was the brunette and was played by Nicole Anderson. The blonde girl was played by Chelsea Staub Kane. She was likable. Lately I saw her in the sitcom Baby Daddy. Tiffany Thorton was a fine actress and managed to play a snooty bitch, regardless of her likable nature. Meaghan Martin was suitable to her role.
I'm not sure what country the Three Commentears are from, but I know you are not from the U.S. so maybe that is why your introduction to Pocahontas was from the Disney film. It might also be a matter of age since you've told me that you're older than me. Having gone to elementary/primary school in the 2000s, I can attest to the fact that in American schools, most children learn a little about Pocahontas. Honestly, the Disney film is the reason most people continue to remember her though since by high school, since in high school, most people thought that she and John Smith were a couple. Which to be fair, isn't a myth that the Disney film created but it certainly cemented it into the public consciousness.
Thanks for sharing your viewpoint about Pocahontas when you were a child and first saw the teaser. And thanks for posting the teaser as well! I hadn't seen that one before. It's funny that as a child, you felt Pocahontas was regressive because Native Americans had technically already been featured in a Disney film before (Peter Pan) even though they were just supporting characters. I imagine that you would have felt even more strongly if Disney had done the Hiawatha movie that had been planned way back in the 1940s. The bonus feature talking about that movie is included in the Pocahontas Blu-Ray btw, although I'm sure you can find the video on YouTube.
Hunchback characters are barely present in the American parks. They used to be more prominent in Paris (for obvious reasons), but I don't think they have much presence there anymore either. I know in Tokyo they have an Easter parade which features Esmeralda and Clopin but I don't know if they are part of it every year or if it was just done for one year. Luckily, I think in the American parks, Esmeralda at least is slowly gaining a reintroduction. Probably won't amount to anything, but in Disneyland's Fantastmic, she was featured in the finale on the riverboat with all the other characters. I was really surprised to see her! Afterwards, I checked and found out that normally Tiana is in that spot but for whatever reason, Esmeralda had taken her place that night as I think substitutions like these are normal every so often. It was nice to see Esmeralda get what is essentially A-Lister status with the rest of the Disney characters. Speaking of Fantasmic, the Tokyo one has a really interesting lineup. Rather than one ship, they have three, and they most prominently include the princesses with their princes. Clarice and Marie are heavily included as well over more popular characters which just goes to show how huge they both are in Japan.
I like the score and songs for Brave a lot as well as the visuals. The story and overall characterizations are the weak point for me, and the humor wasn't to my taste.
Another reason Mulan and Pocahontas get compared so often is because they are practically invisible in the DP franchise lol.
Quasi also counts as a Romani character in Hunchback alongside Esmeralda and Clopin. I don't quite understand what you mean though that Disney's Hunchback was too politically correct to show the gypsies as a persecuted people. I think the movie makes very clear that they are persecuted for their race and lifestyle through the demonization of Frollo and the finale brings all the Parisians, gypsies and nongypsies, together to end his reign over the city. Hence, why Clopin and the rest of the gypsies locked in the cage are freed to help fight the guards.
I'm not surprised I forgot to mention that The Aristocats and The Great Mouse Detective both have specific years they are set in, since they are both Dark Age films lol. Interesting pattern that both were introduced in Norway the same year that Pocahontas came out. Disney's more "modern" films tend to be better about specific years. Atlantis and TPATF also get dates since they are set in the early 1900s, much like the two films mentioned above which are from a similar era. I think Mary Poppins gets a specific date too. Hunchback's year is never mentioned in the film, but the Art book does mention it.
Mulan had a tendency to defy norms, but I'm not sure even she would try to outright break up the marriages of the emperor's three daughters in the first film. You bring up an interesting point when you say that as a non-Asian, you got plenty of Chinese flavor in the film. I'd argue that half the problem stems from this, because Disney just took anything even remotely Chinese and flung it into the film. I've read some interesting stuff from native Chinese viewers who wrote about how warped the history is in Disney's Mulan, and how they get lots of elements wrong such as how the culture or geography differs in the North versus the South. I imagine that the live-action film will be a lot more accurate, otherwise the Chinese market will be otherwise indifferent to it. Moana actually involved a trust group of Polynesians who came together and guided or corrected decisions to make the culture in Moana more accurate so I'd say that was more authentic than anything in Mulan which was just like visiting the Chinese section in a local grocery store. Although even Moana get a little bit of flack for merging so many Polynesian and Oceanic cultures together rather than just focusing on one.
A hand-drawn Aida is one of the films that I wish we could have seen most from Disney's scrapped pile of projects. I'd be fine with a live-action version too but I really don't want Beyonce or Christina Aguilera in the roles. I doubt they'd cast the latter in the role of an Egyptian princess in this day and age anyway, but even regardless of race, I'm not a fan of hers. Beyonce too, I find overrated, and she wouldn't be my choice but I imagine Disney would grab her up in a second.
That's funny that the controversy behind Tiana hasn't been that huge since her film was one of the most controversial Disney ones in the past few years. I would have liked a hand-drawn Sade film too. I'm glad it's live-action though over CGI.
It's true that secondary characters can be well done, but we've had this discussion about Nani before on whether or not she was well developed. I think we'll have to agree to disagree since I know you don't find her fleshed out well whereas I think she is one of the film's highlights. But if I remember correctly, you aren't a fan of Lilo & Stitch anyway, whereas it's my favorite 2000s Disney film, so I guess we're both biased lol. Between the two Polynesian films that Disney has done, which do you prefer overall: Moana or Lilo & Stitch? My clear favorite is Lilo & Stitch. I don't think Moana is a bad movie, but I don't find myself loving it either.
It's interesting that you talk about how the live-action Aladdin has to seem more progressive (like how BATB tried in 2017) because all I'm seeing online is complaints about how the new Aladdin is going to be trash for being too politically correct with a "feminist" Jasmine, nevermind that she was always feminist.
Yes, Ariel was praised for her independence but she was criticized a lot back then as well and that criticism has only grown over years. Regardless of what critics say, she is still my favorite and probably always will be.
That's nice to hear that in Norway, the Disney songs are fully translated in a correct way. I know sometimes they can get lazy with the translations and dubbing.
Sorry about repeating my Miranda question. I actually meant to ask you if you knew why Miranda was cut from the film. For some reason, I worded it to ask you the same question I already had. Blame it on exams lol. Also, do you know if the film was meant to serve as a sort of finale for the TV series? If so, I'm surprised they didn't try and do another Hannah Montana film to serve as the finale for that show.
I never really liked Jackson and while I liked Oliver in the beginning, he felt superfluous by the middle of the show. I don't really remember how Jackson treated him but probably it was as bad as Miley and Lily treated him towards the end. The only notable storyline I remember Oliver having in the last few years of the show was his vegetarian or vegan girlfriend.
To be honest, after I lost interest in Hannah Montana, I stopped following Miley so the only time she popped up in my radar was with her bizarre stunts. You're right that I don't think she's had any major feuds with anyone or anything like that.
I'm not a fan of country music so the country girl shtick was boring for me. I prefer her more pop-oriented songs from the last few years. Probably also because in high school, they used to replay her latest albums over and over so I got used to listening to her, unlike with her early works.
What scene was The Climb sung in during the movie? I remember it got a lot of radioplay at the time. I like the song but I don't love it either. It's not my favorite out of her repertoire. To be honest, back in the day, I much preferred her Hannah songs over her Miley songs.
I remember the Nicole Anderson character now. She was in Mean Girls 2 as well which is what I mainly know her from. I honestly don't remember her role in J.O.N.A.S. probably because I never watched the show but I do remember that she was in it now. Sadly, the Disney Channel actresses who weren't Miley, Selena, or Demi from that time period all sort of disappeared. They have some projects here and there but nothing too big.