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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:30 pm
I don't think he finds the film less emotional, I think he is bypassing the emotion altogether. And I disagree with the rest of your post.
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Now you're twisting your own words around. Do you even realize what you're saying at this point?Disney Duster wrote:I don't think he finds the film less emotional, I think he is bypassing the emotion altogether.
Disagree or not, there is roughly ten years of posts one could search through to find plenty of cases where you present your opinion as absolute fact, and I'm sure plenty of them will also show your confirmation bias as well.Disney Duster wrote:And I disagree with the rest of your post.
AlbertOn his review for [url=http://www.dvdizzy.com/theincredibles-bluray.html]The Incredibles[/url], Luke wrote:Revisiting and reassessing the Pixar canon has been of much interest to me. In the months leading up to Toy Story 3's release, I rewatched the studio's first ten features, eager to see them in a new light and make sure they lived up to my fond and ever so slightly faded memories. And they did. I'm still not crazy about Ratatouille, although I can appreciate much of it. For all of the rest (excluding Cars 2), I am comfortable declaring my love. The love varies from near-perfection to being aware of certain issues but not terribly concerned by them. If I'm able to divide the ten beloved works into those two groups, five of them end up with the unconditional adoration needed to classify as all-time favorites. The Incredibles is one of them, along with the absurdly undervalued A Bug's Life and the three Toy Story movies (whose middle installment is closest to being on the bubble).
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So many superlatives have been placed on so many of Pixar's films that it almost feels useless to add mine to the chorus. And yet, my enthusiasm for Pixar's feature films is intense and virtually unrivaled by any other creator in the vast history of art. I don't believe that I can overstate my appreciation, which has strengthened in recent years by watching thousands of films, almost all of which fail to produce the same level of emotion and enjoyment. I've read plenty of discourse on all their films and while humanity is as unanimously approving of most Pixar productions as any contemporary entertainment, I'm not convinced the praise has gone far enough.
When you watch as many movies as I do, one viewing is enough for most things for the indefinite future. I've now seen The Incredibles close to ten times and I have not tired of it in the slightest. Its charms are too numerous and too powerful for me to give any less than my full attention and admiration. It is an extraordinarily crafted film full of humor, heart, and excitement. Brad Bird has created a rich and compelling universe with indelible characters and a mature, appealing family dynamic in the foreground. There are enough ideas and ambitions here to sustain several films. Every plot point adds something and without belaboring or wasting any time. You could literally write an academic chapter on any element, event, or exchange here and uncover layers of intrigue factoring into the film's countless achievements. The Incredibles is ripe for discussion on everything from marital challenges to celebrating mediocrity to superhero attire.
*sigh*Disney Duster wrote:Also, confirmation bias on your part on me being "clearly-addled."
All of which is pretty confusing when someone's trying to figure out where you stand on Luke's review.In This Thread, Disney Duster wrote: What's up with your emotional heart, dude?
he said it was not up to the heights of Pixar's best and he seemed to prefer humor and thrills over emotion.
I guess I never thought everything Luke write must be personal preference.
But I find it weird he never mentions Coco's emotional level.
What you quoted totally says to me he prefers humor and thrills over emotion
If that's not what he's saying ok, then I'm wrong
Are you using what I say as evidence? Just like what I am doing with what he says?
it is fact, not opinion.
I think he is bypassing the emotion altogether.
I am still bothered by Luke skipping over the emotion of the film and sounding like humor and thrills are what mattered to make a film one of Pixar's best. If I'm wrong, I'd really like to know.
I know Luke appreciates emotion, I just didn't like what he said in this particular review and what I felt he was saying that I was to gather from his words.
Indeed this is about me wondering what is going on.In This Thread, Disney Duster wrote:What's up with your emotional heart, dude?
A statement.In This Thread, Disney Duster wrote:he said it was not up to the heights of Pixar's best and he seemed to prefer humor and thrills over emotion.
A realization.In This Thread, Disney Duster wrote:I guess I never thought everything Luke write must be personal preference.
Me wondering again. If you want to call it confused, I guess you could, but it wasn't about what you sounded like you thought I was confused about.In This Thread, Disney Duster wrote:But I find it weird he never mentions Coco's emotional level.
A statement on what the evidence says to me.In This Thread, Disney Duster wrote:What you quoted totally says to me he prefers humor and thrills over emotion
A statement which points to me not having confirmation bias, and in relation to the rest of what I have written, it says, "I might be wrong about Luke preferring humor and thrills to emotion, but I don't think I am because of such and such evidence." That should not be confusing to someone.In This Thread, Disney Duster wrote:If that's not what he's saying ok, then I'm wrong
Yeah, this again should not be confusing.In This Thread, Disney Duster wrote:Are you using what I say as evidence? Just like what I am doing with what he says?
Or this.In This Thread, Disney Duster wrote:it is fact, not opinion.
Or this. He didn't talk about the emotion at all. He may appreciate emotion, but he skipped over it in his review of Coco.In This Thread, Disney Duster wrote:I think he is bypassing the emotion altogether.
Where is the confusion here?In This Thread, Disney Duster wrote:I am still bothered by Luke skipping over the emotion of the film and sounding like humor and thrills are what mattered to make a film one of Pixar's best. If I'm wrong, I'd really like to know.
Yes, I acknowledge the Luke appreciates emotion, but I didn't like what he said, and I didn't like that he seemed to be saying emotion doesn't matter as much as humor or thrills or even that he may be suggesting the film has no emotion as he makes no mention of it!In This Thread, Disney Duster wrote:I know Luke appreciates emotion, I just didn't like what he said in this particular review and what I felt he was saying that I was to gather from his words.
You're rewriting your posts again. Pretty much everything we've discussed here has rested on the simple fact that you thought Coco is emotional, but Luke's review makes no mention of emotion, and you clearly felt it should.Disney Duster wrote:"I wanted him to, why didn't he?" is completely incorrect.
And it begins your "Luke doesn't care about emotion" thread that you've inferred throughout the next several posts. By your questioning about it at all, you basically imply that you feel he doesn't have the emotional capacity that you want him to have.Disney Duster wrote:Indeed this is about me wondering what is going on.In This Thread, Disney Duster wrote:What's up with your emotional heart, dude?
No, an inference ("he seemed to prefer..."), and the first of many that you confuse as fact.Disney Duster wrote:A statement.In This Thread, Disney Duster wrote:he said it was not up to the heights of Pixar's best and he seemed to prefer humor and thrills over emotion.
One which you still don't understand.Disney Duster wrote:A realization.In This Thread, Disney Duster wrote:I guess I never thought everything Luke write must be personal preference.
Because over the past few responses in this thread, you have been inconsistent in your claims about emotion, Luke, and writing about it in reviews (Coco or otherwise). Either you're wondering why he doesn't write about it, you use your confirmation bias to state that he prefers other things to emotion, then you say that he outright neglects it entirely. This is simply the beginning of it, because you fixate specifically on why, out of all the films, Luke doesn't talk about emotion in one film you want him to talk about emotion.Disney Duster wrote:Me wondering again. If you want to call it confused, I guess you could, but it wasn't about what you sounded like you thought I was confused about.In This Thread, Disney Duster wrote:But I find it weird he never mentions Coco's emotional level.
You're basically confirming your confirmation bias which was informed by your inference of his review.Disney Duster wrote:A statement on what the evidence says to me.In This Thread, Disney Duster wrote:What you quoted totally says to me he prefers humor and thrills over emotion
Your attempted rebuttal just shows your confirmation bias. "I might be wrong [...] but I don't think I am." That's how someone with confirmation bias thinks. They can see all the evidence in the world in front of them, but interpret it solely to mean what they want it to mean. You are altering facts to fit your views rather than considering altering your views to fit the facts.Disney Duster wrote:A statement which points to me not having confirmation bias, and in relation to the rest of what I have written, it says, "I might be wrong about Luke preferring humor and thrills to emotion, but I don't think I am because of such and such evidence." That should not be confusing to someone.In This Thread, Disney Duster wrote:If that's not what he's saying ok, then I'm wrong
You're trying to turn confirmation bias back on me when all I've done is taken the facts of the review and of your statements and shown them for what they are. That's the confusion, because you don't fully understand confirmation bias.Disney Duster wrote:Yeah, this again should not be confusing.In This Thread, Disney Duster wrote:Are you using what I say as evidence? Just like what I am doing with what he says?
It is confusion because you are known on this forum for presenting your opinion as fact.Disney Duster wrote:Or this.In This Thread, Disney Duster wrote:it is fact, not opinion.
And therein is the confusion. You hinge so much on that he didn't talk about emotion that your questioning of why has been muddled, again traveling from the point of "he doesn't talk about it" to "he doesn't prefer it" to "he ignores emotion completely."Disney Duster wrote:Or this. He didn't talk about the emotion at all. He may appreciate emotion, but he skipped over it in his review of Coco.In This Thread, Disney Duster wrote:I think he is bypassing the emotion altogether.
As if you'd ever accept that you're wrong about your confirmation bias.Disney Duster wrote:Where is the confusion here?In This Thread, Disney Duster wrote:I am still bothered by Luke skipping over the emotion of the film and sounding like humor and thrills are what mattered to make a film one of Pixar's best. If I'm wrong, I'd really like to know.
So basically, the "I wanted him to, why didn't he?" that you said was incorrect.Disney Duster wrote:Yes, I acknowledge the Luke appreciates emotion, but I didn't like what he said, and I didn't like that he seemed to be saying emotion doesn't matter as much as humor or thrills or even that he may be suggesting the film has no emotion as he makes no mention of it!In This Thread, Disney Duster wrote:I know Luke appreciates emotion, I just didn't like what he said in this particular review and what I felt he was saying that I was to gather from his words.
If you're going to play that game, then just go through every single review of his and cite when he talks about emotion.Disney Duster wrote:In addition, I took a look at Luke's review of The Lego Batman Movie and it points to him appreicating emotion, but then he talks about the film succeeding because of wit, humor, and excitement and not emotion and so, I'm still left wondering...
I do, too! Looks nice.Disney Duster wrote:Hey Luke, love the new stills that come with the front page news!
I thought so, too.blackcauldron85 wrote:I do, too! Looks nice.Disney Duster wrote:Hey Luke, love the new stills that come with the front page news!