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I had to bump this thread because I'm finally seeing the light with this movie.

As I said in other post, it wasn't until recently that I managed to get the DVD.

I avoided this movie becuase of several reasons: the frst one was because I watched it with a friend that had a copy of the VHS in Spanish... and it was PAINFUL! (If I still have a hard time trying to get used to SW and the Prince's songs, in Spanish are even worse). So, when the movie came out in 2001, although VERY tempted I never bought it. I rented it to see for myself the quality of the transfer and all and see if I wanted to buy t after that... but still nothing. It wasn't until after joinng the forum I started to look out for the movie everywhere until I finally got it.

Now I'm starting to like this movie a LOT. In fact, I feel like watching it almost all of the time. And I see now why it is a masterpiece.

The animation is AMAZING, even by today standards. There are quite a few animated movies and especially series out there that would feel ashamed by ths great movie. The one that stands the most for me is the Queen.

There's not a single scene in the movie that doesn't deserve to be there. Everything flows perfectly with not a single slowdown moment; unlike Sleeping Beauty.

The songs are truly memorable, although I still think SW's songs should have been sung by someone else. As for SW's voice, I'm getting used to it.

And I still think that SW's movements are WAY too delicate and perfect; not even Aurora or Cinderella move that way.


But still, those minor issues aside is a movie that's so well done its replay value is sky high. This is a movie that you can feel to watch anytime and just sit down and do it.

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The designs for both the Queen and SW's dresses are just PERFECT. The Queen looks extremely cool. I mean, in a way that if you were to design that dress by today's standards it would look great and modern. And SW's I can't imagine her any other way.

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That should tell you everything that you need to know about the film. It was made by Max and Dave Fleischer who are famous for making the Popeye cartoons, Superman cartoons, Koko the Clown and Betty Boop. They were also responsible for inventing the process of rotoscoping, or tracing live action for the purpose of creating realistic animation.

They were major rivals to the Disney studio at the time and Gulliver was their first attempt at an animated full length feature. The film wasn't bad and is worth renting. Just as a side note, his son Richard directed 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea and Charles Fleischer (a grandson?) was the voice of Roger Rabbit and has done a lot of other Disney work.


You're right! To get this off-topic "Gulliver Travels" was the first of two feature films produced by Max and Dave Flesicher at Paramount where they produced Betty Boop, Hunky & Spunky, the original Superman and the Color Classics series. I have a copy of the movie. It was released in 1939 two years after "Snow White". You might watch this non-Disney animated film courtesy of Internet Archive.

http://www.archive.org/details/gullivers_travels1939

To get back on-topic, "Snow White" was the first of 44 animated feature films made by Disney. The movie was great and it was splendid. The DVD has lots bonus extras including the audio commentary. It was a great film. The documentry features Angela Lansbury (of "Bedknobs & Broomsticks", "Beauty And The Beat" and the non-Disney TV show "Murder She Wrote") goes behind the scenes at the making of the film. At the beginning she was saying that the first movie soundtrack ever to appear on record. It was first released as a 78 RPM record from RCA Victor. According to the 1993 remastered soundtrack, Randy Thornton said "It includes just five songs were the sam recording actually heard during the film. Until that time, interpretive re-creations were the norm for movie music albums." After numerous success, Disneyland released the soundtrack of "Snow White" in the late 50's and it was the first time the soundtrack album was released on a 33 1/3 RPM. They added 8 songs for the soundtrack with the exception of Tutti Camarata, the guy who founded Disneyland records since he started the label 50 years ago back in 1956. I have two albums, one is with the story from 1960 and the soundtrack from 1968 with just the cover of Prince holding Snow White on the horse, not the tornado illustrated cover art as well as the cassette from 1993. Here are the pics.

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This is the VHS tape I have is the Masterpiece edition.

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The DVD cover of "Snow White" I have is in the other thread.

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I have that same masterpiece edition :). I collected all the vhs of disney classics when they first started coming out with them. Now I collect the disney dvd classics.


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All I can say about Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, is FANTASTIC! It was quite and accomplishment for the first ever colored, animated movie. For 84 minutes, according to the 2001 Platinum Edition DVD, it blew my mind away. Especially the way how the Disney team used the Mutliplane Camera, that was also quite an invention. Walt Disney himself must have been leaping for joy over how much everyone liked the film.
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Well, they (Disney) had made their animated films in colour for a few years already by the time SWatSD was released.

But yes, it was a marvellous achievement at the time - and pretty much has stood the test of time ever since.

IMO, Disney animation never was better than in the late 30s, early 40s.


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Snow White is a MARVELOUS film, and I only wish that the platinum ed. wasn't so expensive or hard to find or i would own it!

I love the music, colors, and wide range of characters. (From the evil Queen, to the sweet and innocent Snow White, not to mention the dwarves!) The only thing that has ever bothered me about this movie, is the voice Disney chose for Snow White...her voice has always bothered me...in an unexplainable way.

Snow White was a beautiful movie, and it set the standards for the awe-inspiring classics which were to come.


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Snow White will always be known as the one that started it all. However, I think that just because of that, people think it is better than it really is. Dont get me wrong, I think that it is a great film, but its not the greatest Disney animated film ever. In my opinion, Sleeping Beauty exceeds it in all categories. The problem is, is that Snow White has a bit too many slow spots. It drags from the moment Snow White arrives at the cottage, until we return to the Queen's castle before she turns herself into a hag. It is a landmark film. It set the standard for all animated films, and Sleeping Beauty, The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, and Aladdin (in my mind) exceeded that standard.


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I love Snow White too, and I cant get over the fact that a film of its standard was made in the 1930's, thats incredible! However my favorite Disney Animated classic is Sleeping Beauty. I love everything about that movie. Maleficent is the cruelest most wickadly awesome villian ever!! I love the three fairies.


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Snow White will always be known as the one that started it all. However, I think that just because of that, people think it is better than it really is. Dont get me wrong, I think that it is a great film, but its not the greatest Disney animated film ever. In my opinion, Sleeping Beauty exceeds it in all categories. The problem is, is that Snow White has a bit too many slow spots. It drags from the moment Snow White arrives at the cottage, until we return to the Queen's castle before she turns herself into a hag. It is a landmark film. It set the standard for all animated films, and Sleeping Beauty, The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, and Aladdin (in my mind) exceeded that standard.


Good point, though I'm not entirely sure whether I agree with you or not.

I guess I'm almost totally unable to compare the late 30s-early 40s works to the best of the later works without taking into account the fact that Disney's people through visionary ideas, experimentation and hard work brough animation from the "stone age" to Snow White and Fantasia in just a handful of years. What Disney did from the early 30s up until the early 40s is the closest we get to real magic in my eyes. In those days they didn't quite know whether what they were doing was possible or not, but they did it anyway.

Everything that came afterwards becomes slightly insignificant in that light, IMO.

That isn't really a criticism against Sleeping Beauty, The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, and Aladdin, though.


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Snow White is my favorite animated Disney film. It has so much heart. I can see how Disney's animators improved after making this first film. (Even Walt wished they could have remade this film to make it better but he just ran out of money.)

I know that Snow White made $6 million upon its initial release. Does anyone know what that is equivalent to today with both inflation and ticket prices taken into consideration?

Aaron, I am surprised you don't have 20,000 Leagues. It is landmark film--and not just a Disney landmark film. It is a landmark film for the whole industry.


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I know that Snow White made $6 million upon its initial release. Does anyone know what that is equivalent to today with both inflation and ticket prices taken into consideration?


Walt spent a lot of money on SW - I think it was about $1.5 million. That, apparently, was very, very much at the time.

So how much is $6 million (1937-38 dollars) now? Four times an amount that's very, very much to spend on a movie...?


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I still think the best thing about this movie is the Evil Queen. Her scenes are very cool.

I think overall this film is a little stiff and does suffer from some lackluster choices. First of all, Snow White's often rhyming dialog. Secondly, Snow White is not very smart. Rather, she's portrayed as being so purely innocent, sweet, and full of heart, that they sort of think her being intelligent would detract from her niceness. That she has to be so sweet, that the slightest bit of distrust, even when her own safety is at stake, would destroy the illusion of pureness. But her character breaks character twice - she is terrified in the forest (letting the mind that she doesn't much have run away with her) and she sees through the Dwarfs' fib about recently washing their hands. She just completely ignores the Dwarfs' advice about the Evil Queen, even after she's told in no uncertain terms that she fools around with black magic and can assume different forms. Not just that, but the animals are telling her too. She's portrayed as too darn dense to notice. Then she tells a lie to the Dwarfs, promising that she'll be careful. Sounds like she doesn't know the meaning of the word.

The Evil Queen is just much more interesting than Snow White or the seven Dwarfs. Which I think has got to be either a flub or an attempt to set the standard of the idea of heroes/heroines and villains, or at least transfer that to film. But I think this is a very good thing. It shows how far Disney can go to the dark side. Her scenes are absolutely captivating. I've noted every time I watch this film, that one of my absolute favorite Disney score music cues begins after the storybook opening fades to black and the shot of the castle that dissolves to the shot of the Queen ascending the steps of the floor's plateau afront her magic mirror begins. Anyway, the Queen is as wicked as they come, and has a very funny sense of ultra-black humor. I adore that sequence in her dungeon / underground cavern alongside the river (a visual that seems a little inspired by the original Phantom of the Opera), where she taunts the skeleton of a dead, tortured prisoner - "Thirsty? Have a drink!" And she kicks an empty pitcher of water into it's cell. Not to mention that famous shot where she shoves the apple into the camera and says to her pet raven, "have a bite?"

The songs were pleasent enough, but I think boring and underwhelming. Especially the "Silly/Yodel Song," the "We Dig, Dig, Dig...," and that awful Washing song "Bluddle Uddle..." whatever that was. But of course, that ending was terrific. And very magical. Especially the way the shot makes it look like the Prince's castle must be in Heaven and it fades off into the sun. Very glorious.

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What amazes me about Snow White is the depth of the pictures. I know some of this is from using the mutiplane cameras, but the drawings themeslves are just amazing.

I kind of hate how people use the terms "3d" to talk about CGI films and "2d" to talk about traditional animation. Snow White doesn't seem "2d" to me, in the way that scooby doo or something like that does. There is a real depth to it - the characters (especially the dwarfs) give the illusion of depth as well the backgrounds. I think of "3d" as the kind of movies you have to wear those little disposable glasses to and effects seem to "leap out" at you. I think there is as much illusion of depth in snow white as in cgi films.

I really like the style of "sleeping beauty," but I've seen Snow White several times in the past few weeks and I've been very impressed with the quality of it. And I agree with the posters who've said there are a lot of fun songs in it. It's a good story and it is amazingly well done.


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Disney's multiplane camera made Snow White something more than "2D", I guess we could say.


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This is the first ever Disney classic I saw! I was about 2 years old when I saw this one. With my little mind, I simply liked the film. Although it's a bit scary (when I'm still a little child), I think the movie totally rocks! Now it doesn't scare me anymore.
It's Disney's first full-length animated film and it's a job well done! A great accomplishment for Disney! <img src=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/kiefernut/smileys/th_sign0021.gif>

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I think the greatest legacy of this film are the terrific songs by Larry Morey and Frank Churchill, as well as the fantastic performance given by Lucille Laverne as her majesty, Queen Grimhilde. Sorry, I'm such a Grimhilde fan. It's easy to see why.

"But to make doubly sure you do not fail me, bring back her heart...in this."

And I always swell with pride when I see the clip where Shirley Temple is handing out the Oscars and says, "Aren't you proud of it, Mr. Disney?" and Walt says, "Why, I'm so proud I think I'll bust."

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Today I was watching Snow White and I noticed that all the dwarfs have only four fingers. The fact that they are dwarfs doesn't mean that they can't have five fingers, so why they only have four :?


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"It includes just five songs were the sam recording actually heard during the film. Until that time, interpretive re-creations were the norm for movie music albums." After numerous success, Disneyland released the soundtrack of "Snow White" in the late 50's and it was the first time the soundtrack album was released on a 33 1/3 RPM. They added 8 songs for the soundtrack with the exception of Tutti Camarata, the guy who founded Disneyland records since he started the label 50 years ago back in 1956. I have two albums, one is with the story from 1960 and the soundtrack from 1968 with just the cover of Prince holding Snow White on the horse, not the tornado illustrated cover art as well as the cassette from 1993. Here are the pics.


thanks for posting your covers! Beautiful. Its too bad that some of your links aren't working because I'd like to see your other pics.

This was the first platinum DVD I watched and still my favorite of the classics (I've yet to see most of the films from the 50s era, admittedly so that could change as I view many of the newer classics....). I don't know what it is about this film - Definitely the music and the animation work accomplished by the lush detailed backgrounds filmed with the famed multi-plane camera. But I love the music and was wondering if they released a soundtrack CD when they released the Platinum edition. Does anyone know? I would love to buy the soundtrack. I assume if it was released, it has become OOP like the Platinum Edition DVD.... I've looked for it in stores and haven't seen a "snow white" soundtrack.

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It's actually fairly common for animated human characters of any sort to only have 4 fingers. My guess is it's easier to do the hands that way, but I'm not exactly sure of the reasoning there. But I noticed that too as I was drawing Dopey from my How To Draw Snow White and the 7 Dwarfs book.


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Yes, Walt Disney's Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs is a great film, not just for it's time but for any film. It's one of the best in the whole Disney canon. It's animation is amazing and beautiful. In fact, did anyone ever notice the detail of all the cels? Snow White has blush and a lot of scenes give the characters shading(well, outlined shading). Why wasn't the animation in the later films given the same detail?

And, today I just realized something.

It is obvious that Snow White's story has ties to Eve eating the apple in the Garden of Eden and Jesus being the "prince" that saves our souls from death(eternal damnation). But consider a less religious meaning. Is Snow White's story representative of the passing of innocence and childhood? She's like a child, then she eats the apple and "dies", and then is reawakened as an adult by a man(awakening to sex=awakening to adulthood).

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