Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs Discussion

[Sotiris]

But there is not a significant group or movement (I can’t even find an online petition) that has taken issue with the ending to Snow White. It’s just one article from one journalist that’s being circulated, mostly by conservative outlets to decry “cancel culture.” It’s all a bunch of bluster about a bunch of bluster.

That doesn't matter anymore. Companies are much more trigger-happy when it comes to that sort of stuff now. A single article from the New York Times accusing Pepé Le Pew of normalizing rape culture went viral recently mostly because conservatives ragged on it. Nonetheless, the controversy caused Warner Bros. to cut his scene from the new Space Jam. This is the new media landscape whether we like it or not.

This is the first iteration of the Disneyland ride to depict the True Love’s Kiss scene at the end.

And probably the last. I wonder how long it will be until it's removed. A couple of years, maybe? It's just a matter of time, in my opinion.

Obviously, the company at present has no issues with the finale to the movie— otherwise they wouldn’t have incorporated it into the ride’s finale after 66 years!

They simply didn't anticipate it would cause such a stir. Now that they're keenly aware of this, I assure you, they'll be much more careful about including the scene in the future.

[UmbrellaFish]

I don’t think Disney would invest thousands of dollars in refurbishing a ride, adding new scenes, and building new animatronics without running their concepts through the S&P department (or whatever the equivalent is at Imagineering). “Snow White’s Enchanted Wish” was supposed to fix age old problems with the ride— the previous versions were too scary and frightened children. This time they were careful and deliberate in choosing what scenes to depict for today’s guests. The Disney Princesses have long been the subject of feminist criticism, so of course they anticipated it— have the last ten years of Disney movies not been proof enough that Disney anticipates and engages with such criticism?

They probably calculated that reasonable individuals would not interpret the scene as analogous to rape (that’s what we’re really talking about here, right?). And I think that’s proven to be the case as the “controversy” has not picked up any steam with the Left. You mention Pepe LePew and the New York Times but the Times is a paper of record and what’s written in it is taken very seriously (and honestly, I do think the case against Monsieur LePew makes a little more sense)— the article about Snow White was published by a much smaller paper. The outcome from that has been people sharing the article, scratching their heads, eager to denounce another instance of “Cancel Culture” run amok. But I think, too, that this audience is also an important audience, as important as the “Woke” audience. It’s roughly half the US, and it’s been proven that it isn’t necessarily bad for a brand to stand up to “Cancel Culture.” Does it hurt Disney at all to retain the ending when liberals don’t really care about it, and conservatives do care about its supposed cancelling?

[Vlad]

Hi, guys! One of my dear friends has created a nice website dedicated to Snow White here. It's in French, but it has a lot of info and lots of pictures. He's still working on it, and new content will be added along the way, but what he has done so far is pretty awesome.

Facebook - here
Instagram - here

[blackcauldron85]

I bookmarked the Instagram and the website- very cool stuff on there!!! Thank you!

[robinhood21]

The biggest difference to answer heire is that she had no animal friends in the fairy tale. This was one of my earliest Disney Movies as a child and I do still have the video from back then. It contains my most saddest scene in a Disney Movie when the fawn and its mother sadly shake their heads when Snow White thinks the children are orphans and when the fawn nuzzled its mother and the doe licks him or her. I thought they were Bambi and his mother when I was a child and thought all the Bambi animals lived in the Snow White movie as their scenes are identical, are they? I have always been scared of when Snow White ran away and got frightened of all the shadows and that is my most scariest scene in a Disney Movie.

My favourite song is With a Smile and a Song and my favourite scene is when we see the animals sleeping on or in the dwarfs's beds which is my most cuted scene in a Disney Movie. I only felt sorry the animals hadn't slept long as I doubt if the tortoise kept falling down the steps dozens of times and I wish there'd have been a shot of the squirrels and other animals sleeping on and in the other beds, but they were only seen waking up after the deer and rabbits woke as we only see the deer and rabbits sleeping after the birds put the blanket over Snow White. When one bird used its tail to put the flame out, wouldn't its tail have got burnt?

[Disney Duster]

You think it's sad when Snow White says they might be orphans but the fawn is not an orphan, it has its mother? And the animal scenes in Bambi and Snow White are not identical. Walt Disney even took great pains to make the animals in Bambi more realistic than the ones in Snow White. That bird could have gotten its tale burnt, it's true.

[thedisneyspirit]

Snow White, Cinderella, Aurora > toad princess, blondy, and Korra ripoff

[blackcauldron85]

I got an email from Disney Movie Club regarding the March 22nd member Blu-ray. It says the new bonus feature is: "10 Ways Snow White Changed Animation Forever": "Discover fresh insights into the rich history and artistic achievement of Walt Disney's masterpiece."

[Sotiris]

Seven Secrets of the Seven Dwarfs
https://cartoonresearch.com/index.php/s ... en-dwarfs/

[Farerb]

User TJake133 from blu-ray.com detailed the new 85th Anniversary Edition including the new bonus feature here:

For anyone wondering what the Movie Club Exclusive 85th Anniversary Edition is all about:

1. Packaging: All new case and slipcover, matte finish and embossed graphic of the original poster art. Back similar to Signature edition.
2. Discs: stacked in case, DVD and BD are completely identical to Signature Collection versions. Also included is a bonus disc (this is the only one labeled as "Walt Disney's Masterpiece 85th Ann. Ed. other discs bear the standard Disney Snow White print).

Content: Signature discs are identical down to trailers etc.

Bonus Disc: no menus, just includes one 16 minute clip listing 10 facts about the movie and its impact. It mentions the 60th animated feature milestone and is very modern Disney.
Nothing that wasn't mentioned in the Platinum or Diamond editions, especially the original Hyperion studio tour on the Diamond discs.

Disc starts right off with the Disney logo and clip, no menu to navigate.
Writing is very synergy focused, starts off with a painful "every parent with a frozen blu-ray will know, they just want to start over and over again..."
At times it feels almost ironic and the way it talks about classic animation is a bit awkward.
Almost like corporate Disney now considers classic 30s animation as "growing pains" (they even call it something like that) and consider CGI (Frozen, Encanto) as pinnacle. Everything else is somehow reduced to animation tests and blueprints for their live action and CGI catalog.

Graphically well made but some weird framing issues with 4:3 content and some weird border issues as well that should not have happened.

In general it is very very strange to waste a disc on this clip that could have ended up as digital code or even uploaded on Youtube, that's the vibe.

It also reminded me of that infamous Beauty and the Beast preview clip for the live action remake on the Signature Edition. They mentioned that CGI/Live action now allows them to fully realized what they couldn't do in the original...

All in all it just reflects a disconnect and shift in corporate Disney's attitude and position on animation and their past, with heavy censorship and very corporate commercial interests over a more genuine and historical approach honoring the actual 85th anniversary.

In terms of overall quality it is in line with other decisions in the home media decision, that feel like they were made exclusively by marketing business execs with no historians or archivists involved. Sadly no technicians or film specialists either who would make sure the correct framing and resolution is used for max quality. Sadly, no creatives involved wither who could use the resources for a nice and coherent interface.

Sadly, especially in the aftermath of the recent 2 CEO regimes at Disney, it looks like the dream of a true collectors line of 4K releases with extensive and complete bonus features, and premium presentation throughout packaging, guides, and menus, and multiple viewing experiences (i.e. unmastered 4K negative scans, and choice of restored versions on demand) remains just that, a dream that is likely never going to happen.

To circle back to Snow White 85th ed:
For reference: it takes a few minutes (which is a lot in a 16 minute clip) to even get to Snow White over clips of Frozen and other "franchise" films.

If you own any of the previous releases, skip this one as I'm sure the clip will end up on YouTube in a few weeks anyway, either by fan accounts if not by Disney themselves.

If you're thinking about joining the club, unless you want any of their live action exclusives, you're better off hunting down an authentic, sealed copy of the Platinum or Diamond Editions for less.

[blackcauldron85]

I received it today in the mail after preordering it when it was first announced. Sigh. Wish I didn't waste $24.99 when money's really tight. At least I have a backup copy of one of my favorite films...

[carolinakid]

I own the Diamond and Platinum editions. Disney won’t get a dime of my money on this disrespectful crap. Long live Snow White 1937!

[Disney's Divinity]

Watched a little of this yesterday morning. I know TLM did a lot of looking back to Walt's best films since they thought TLM could be the last (as well as trying to emulate Walt as a continuation of his films). Of course, I always knew Ursula-to-Vanessa is sort of a reverse of the Queen-to-Hag transformation, and there are a lot of little similarities. The transformation scene, of course, Ursula's hair becoming longer makes me think of the Queen's hair going everywhere. As I was watching SW, I almost wonder if they got the idea of all the birds attacking Vanessa from the moment the birds in SW attack the Hag. A lot of Vanessa's deranged faces as Ariel and Eric are on the edge of kissing remind me of the Hag watching Snow White on the verge of eating the apple.

There was also one particular shot where the hag stretches her hands out towards Snow White, telling her to "Go on!," where she looks almost like a conductor of a band or something. The shots of Ursula directing Ariel to sing are pretty similar (while also taking the green swirling light from the moment Aurora is forced to prick her finger in SB). The Hag looking up from reading the curse of the sleeping death also makes me see similarities in the end of Ursula's intro, with her looking creepily-eyed into the camera.

[carolinakid]

Snow White is my absolute favorite DAC. I could especially watch 3 scenes over and over...
1. The opening I’m Wishing/One Song sequence
2. The Queen’s Transformation into the old peddler woman
3. The Silly Song/Some Day My Prince Will Come sequence (Snow White never looked more beautiful or graceful- kudos to the animators and Marge Belcher Champion!)

I adore the whole film but those 3 sequences stand out for me.

[Redadoodles]

Same except that I would add the forrest scene also.

[Disney Duster]

My favorite scenes are the opening with the storybook, then the magic mirror, then "I'm Wishing/One Song", then the Queen's transformation (that has always been my absolute most favorite scene! When I saw a clip of in a commercial on TV for it coming to theaters, I asked my mom to draw me the Queen transforming with her hair blowing in the wind! She is not the best drawer and I told her it wasn't good! Children can be cruel, huh? I feel so bad now!), when the Queen posions the apple, when Snow White eats a piece of the apple, and finally the kiss and the ending! That holy, heavenly, castle in the clouds ending!

[scarletunicorn]

This movie brings tears to my eyes everytime I see it. I believe this is a true American classic, second only to Gone with the Wind. Bless Walt Disney, his family, and all the animators and crew who worked on this movie and made Disney magic real for billions of people all over the globe. It does not matter if you are a duchess in Spain or a villager in Africa, the heart and sentiment of this movie will reach you the same.

[Vlad]

I feel the same towards both Snow White and Gone with the Wind. I remember my mom convincing me to watch GWTW when I was a kid. When she told me the movie's almost 4 hours long, I thought I wouldn't last through the whole thing. But I was hooked, and it quickly became my favorite movie ever. Then, I read the book, in Romanian, English and French. I don't think there will ever be a movie that could top it.

[carolinakid]

Vlad, GWTW is my all time favorite book and film. I’m so happy I got to see it on the big screen in 2019 for its 80th Anniversary. I’ve read the book 3 times in English and Spanish and definitely want to read it again before I die.

My boyfriend and I are gonna see The Wizard of Oz on the big screen next month June 5 & 6 in conjunction with Judy’s 100th birthday. We last saw it in 2019 also for its 80th Anniversary.

[Disney's Divinity]

GWtW is one of my top 5 live-action films, too. It keeps you gripped from beginning to end. I don't have that same feeling for SW&tSD, but I understand why others do. The Wizard of Oz, now that's much closer, but even it's not as good as GWtW to me.

I actually have a similar thing with The Wizard of Oz that I do with a lot of Disney films, in that I tend to fast forward to the villain's scenes. (The stuff with the Lion, Scarecrow, and Tin Man are fun though, and Judy Garland is great of course.) The Wicked Witch of the West is definitely one of the greatest villains of all time. I love her first scene when she comes to get the ruby slippers off her sister's body, and the sort of terrorist-like explosion that interrupts the happy atmosphere and how she doesn't even care about all the people running around her, only laser-focused on finding the slippers. I'm so glad that Margaret Hamilton played the role, since they had initially wanted the Witch to be stoic and beautiful like the Queen in Snow White actually. The Wicked Witch of the West outclasses the Queen by far for me, I've never been that crazy about the Evil Queen as I am other Disney villains (among Walt villains, I prefer all of Tremaine, Cruella, Maleficent, and Mim to her, as well as Chernabog and Monstro).