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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:17 pm 
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Hi all

So, I want to share something that's really been bugging me.
Anyone noticed how the great classics, Walt-era films have steadily declined in IMDB ratings?

For instance:

Just a few years ago Snow White was in the late 7.0's, now its 7.6.
Pinocchio went down from 7.6 to 7.5.
Bambi down from 7.6 to 7.4 also in a matter of a few years.
Not to talk about Cinderella and SB down to 7.3 and 7.2 respectively.

Randomly reading some of the reviews, some point out to the fact that either the story is too lean (Bambi), or relying too heavily on sidekicks (Snow White), etc. But especially criticizing the princesses for being passive (yeah, it's become a trend!)

Now I can't deny some if these claims but these movies should be viewed within the context of their times. Surely Casablanca or Gone with the Winds shouldn't and needn't be reflected upon by today's values and sentimentality...

A film like Snow White deserves a solid 8-8.5 just for the sake of being such an unprecedented pioneer in its genre.

What do you guys think?


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:08 pm 
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I don't know much about IMDB's rating system, but they're user ratings? I wonder if a lot of younger people are rating the movies, and they like the newer movies more?

I typed out each movie's rank (out of 10 points), its popularity number, and how much that number went up or down. I started with the newest movies and went down, to see if we saw a significant decrease in points. (I bolded the rankings of 7.5 and higher.)

Frozen II- 7.0 (103,028), popularity = 61 (down 22)
Ralph Breaks the Internet- 7.1 (117,168), popularity = 781 (down 73)
Moana- 7.6 (249,371), popularity = 207 (up 36)
Zootopia- 8.0 (410,522), popularity = 313 (down 18)
Big Hero 6- 7.8 (393,074), popularity = 964 (down 103)
Frozen- 7.5 (551,621), popularity = 390 (down 70)
Wreck-It Ralph- 7.7 (364,674), popularity = 1,415 (down 137)
Winnie the Pooh- 7.2 (20,697), popularity = N/A
Tangled- 7.7 (388,177), popularity = 502 (down 81)
The Princess and the Frog- 7.1 (116,902), popularity = 1,002 (down 109)
Bolt- 6.8 (182,516), popularity = 2,023 (up 875)
Meet the Robinsons- 6.8 (83,749), popularity = 3,589 (down 310)
Chicken Little- 5.7 (82,522), popularity = 4,046 (up 219)
Home on the Range- 5.4 (19,085), popularity = N/A
Brother Bear- 6.8 (92,056), popularity = 2,862 (down 25)
Treasure Planet- 7.2 (96,638), popularity = 1,621 (up 108)
Lilo & Stitch- 7.2 (159,772), popularity = 1,569 (up 23)
Atlantis: The Lost Empire- 6.9 (98,453), popularity = 1,542 (down 104)
The Emperor's New Groove- 7.3 (171,027), popularity = 1,300 (down 168)
Dinosaur- 6.5 (50,688), popularity = 3,124 (up 142)
Fantasia 2000- 7.2 (33,622), popularity = N/A
Tarzan- 7.3 (193,819), popularity = 1,970 (up 52)
Mulan- 7.6 (238,359), popularity = 418 (up 217)
Hercules- 7.3 (194,895), popularity = 460 (up 92)
The Hunchback of Notre Dame- 6.9 (135,331), popularity = 1,606 (up 182)
Pocahontas- 6.7 (162,158), popularity = 1,084 (up 348)
The Lion King- 8.5 (898,031), popularity = 295 (down 32)
Aladdin- 8.0 (353,633), popularity = 739 (down 1)
Beauty and the Beast- 8.0 (405,199), popularity = 790 (up 317)
The Rescuers Down Under- 6.9 (36,297), popularity = 4,235 (down 91)
The Little Mermaid- 7.6 (226,799), popularity = 905 (up 117)
Oliver & Company- 6.7 (41,684), popularity = 2,452 (up 557)
The Great Mouse Detective- 7.2 (42,693), popularity = 4,560 (down 111)
The Black Cauldron- 6.4 (29,428), popularity = 3,425 (down 465)
The Fox and the Hound- 7.3 (81,116), popularity = 3,149 (up 518)
The Rescuers- 6.9 (55,393), popularity = 3,041 (up 125)
The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh- 7.6 (31,036), popularity = N/A
Robin Hood- 7.6 (110,229), popularity = 1,417 (up 265)
The Aristocats- 7.1 (88,796), popularity = 1,913 (up 108)
The Jungle Book- 7.6 (159,170), popularity = 1,515 (up 93)
The Sword in the Stone- 7.2 (85,253), popularity = 3,926 (down 150)
101 Dalmatians- 7.2 (146,026), popularity = 3,120 (up 138)
Sleeping Beauty- 7.2 (129,549), popularity = 3,007 (down 422)
Lady & the Tramp- 7.3 (116,853), popularity = 2,734 (down 345)
Peter Pan- 7.3 (120,191), popularity = 2,568 (up 50)
Alice in Wonderland- 7.4 (123,224), popularity = 2,833 (down 59)
Cinderella- 7.3 (139,248), popularity = 2,817 (down 445)
The Adventures of Ichabod & Mr. Toad- 7.0 (11,835), popularity = N/A
Melody Time- 6.4 (4,480), popularity = N/A
Fun & Fancy Free- 6.6 (6,453), popularity = N/A
Make Mine Music- 6.3 (3,437), popularity = N/A
The Three Caballers- 6.5 (11,446), popularity = N/A
Saludos Amigos- 6.2 (4,762), popularity = N/A
Bambi- 7.3 (125,684), popularity = 4,399 (down 143)
Dumbo- 7.2 (114,485), popularity = 4,771 (down 52)
Fantasia- 7.8 (85,170), popularity = 3,784 (up 53)
Pinocchio- 7.4 (124,421), popularity = 2,888 (up 281)
Snow White & the Seven Dwarfs- 7.6 (173,619), popularity = 2,093 (down 47)

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:03 am 
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I wouldn't put too much stock in IMDB's ratings, they're ranked by users. I know there's a trend to not listen to professional critics, to claim that they're out of touch and such, but they actually understand that process of filmmaking and they understand that context that you mentioned. I absolutely agree about Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs and I would absolutely put it beside films like Gone with the Wind and The Wizard of Oz. But most people who come to IMDB to rank the older Disney films think "well I read that Snow White is a weak passive character I read that in that BuzzFeed article, also she's a princess and princesses are lame LMAO".


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:40 am 
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I guess you're right but so many people reference that site to determine whether to watch a movie or not or if it's even "good or not".


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