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 Post subject: Re: Zootopia 2
PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:17 pm 
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I’d be really surprised if they did. Pleasantly surprised, mind you, but surprised. Much like the buddy road trip cliche, or the surprise villain cliche, as of late it seems Disney is on the “you don’t need to be in a relationship to be complete” cliche. I don’t mind that message as I think it’s healthy, but how many films will they go through before they feel like it’s ok to do a romance again? At this point we have Merida, Ralph, Elsa, Moana, Elena (if you count her), and now apparently Raya as well.

Nick and Judy at this point probably qualify as well. It’d be interesting to see whether fans would embrace a relationship as some sort of natural progression or whether there would be an outcry that Disney was selling out or insinuating that Judy or Nick weren’t complete before as single characters.

Same, considering that Disney has disavowed romance in all their new films. Raya is the strongest indicator since it doesn't seem like Lasseter would have had much, if any, influence on the film, yet it still sticks to his tropes. It also sounds like Ginnifer Goodwin and Jason Bateman really enjoyed the platonic dynamic between their characters.

I think it's important for Disney to showcase that male and female characters can be best buddies and even partners while not being romantically involved. Past male/female relationships like Ralph/Vanellope and Maui/Moana don't really count because of the age difference so Nick/Judy becomes the main exception, even in the Revival era.

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 Post subject: Re: Zootopia 2
PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:28 pm 
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I hope that in the future there will be room for both - some movies have romance, some don’t, and it’s all cool. For me, the romance aspect of many older Disney movies is as iconic as the songs. Just as it would suck if Disney stopped doing musicals altogether, I think I would miss it if they completely stopped telling sincere love stories.


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 Post subject: Re: Zootopia 2
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JeanGreyForever wrote:
I think it's important for Disney to showcase that male and female characters can be best buddies and even partners while not being romantically involved. Past male/female relationships like Ralph/Vanellope and Maui/Moana don't really count because of the age difference so Nick/Judy becomes the main exception, even in the Revival era.

I agree, I prefer they remained just friends. Maybe they can have an interracial couple in the movie that is not them.

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I hope that in the future there will be room for both - some movies have romance, some don’t, and it’s all cool.

I hope that too. I think it's refreshing that Disney is now making movies that have no romance and it's true that it sends a good message. But there's nothing wrong with romance either, so they shouldn't be afraid to make movies with romantic stories. I think it should be balanced though, in the 90' there were too many films with romantic elements in my opinion. I like it when there's a bit of variety.


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 Post subject: Re: Zootopia 2
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Maybe they can have an interracial couple in the movie that is not them.
If they’re not brave enough to do it with the main characters, then I’d personally rather they not bother with it at all.

Disney is definitely playing a game of trying not to be pinned down as any one thing in their new era; they haven't touched another fairy tale romance since Frozen in 2013. I wonder if it's because they're conscious of how the repetitious storylines of the '90s were criticized and they don't want that to fall on them again. Which is pretty ironic when you think about it, because the critics seem to be taking their sweet time getting around to lambasting WDAS and PIXAR for peddling the same ol' same ol' buddy roadtrip, smart alec paired with a straight man, third act race, and twist villain formula for 20+ years now. I'd rather have had 20 years of fairy tale musicals than that garbage, if I were able to pick my poison. Just sayin'.

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 Post subject: Re: Zootopia 2
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JeanGreyForever wrote:
Same, considering that Disney has disavowed romance in all their new films. Raya is the strongest indicator since it doesn't seem like Lasseter would have had much, if any, influence on the film, yet it still sticks to his tropes.

Raya had been in the works since at least 2015. Lasseter was the one who greenlit it and saw it through much of its development. The most significant change that seems to have occurred post his ouster is switching Raya's companion from male to female. Lasseter's influence will be felt on WDAS' output for years to come. I'm questioning whether they'll ever be able to escape the buddy/road trip formula.

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I wonder if it's because they're conscious of how the repetitious storylines of the '90s were criticized and they don't want that to fall on them again. Which is pretty ironic when you think about it, because the critics seem to be taking their sweet time getting around to lambasting WDAS and PIXAR for peddling the same ol' same ol' buddy roadtrip, smart alec paired with a straight man, third act race, and twist villain formula for 20+ years now. I'd rather have had 20 years of fairy tale musicals than that garbage, if I were able to pick my poison.

I feel the same way. The only thing that has been criticized a bit is the twist villain trope which is resulting into having no villain at all. Apparently, having no villain is considered nuanced and sophisticated storytelling nowadays.

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 Post subject: Re: Zootopia 2
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It's ironic cause I personally feel the Revival films lack nuance, especially Zootopia. While films like Beauty and the Beast, The Lion King and The Hunchback of Notre Dame has much more nuance even with their villains who even add more nuance.


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 Post subject: Re: Zootopia 2
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Sotiris wrote:
Raya had been in the works since at least 2015. Lasseter was the one who greenlit it and saw it through much of its development. The most significant change that seems to have occurred post his ouster is switching Raya's companion from male to female. Lasseter's influence will be felt on WDAS' output for years to come. I'm questioning whether they'll ever be able to escape the buddy/road trip formula.

Oh wow, Raya has been in production for four years at this point, five by the time of release. I shouldn't be surprised that the dragon was male while Lasseter was around but even so, it seems as though this film will heavily follow his formula then.

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It's ironic cause I personally feel the Revival films lack nuance, especially Zootopia. While films like Beauty and the Beast, The Lion King and The Hunchback of Notre Dame has much more nuance even with their villains who even add more nuance.

Although I liked Zootopia, I agree with you that the Revival films are lacking when it comes to the rest of Disney's library, especially the 90s.

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 Post subject: Re: Zootopia 2
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Ginnifer Goodwin just pretty much confirmed Zootopia 2 is happening (3:30)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AwXrWjwmzag


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 Post subject: Re: Zootopia 2
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farerb wrote:
It's ironic cause I personally feel the Revival films lack nuance, especially Zootopia. While films like Beauty and the Beast, The Lion King and The Hunchback of Notre Dame has much more nuance even with their villains who even add more nuance.


Yeah, could be my nostalgia goggles, but it's the same hing. The new movies have interesting new messages and ideas, but carry them with cookie cutter characters we've seen a million times before and are always spelled out. I dunno, the films I feel are even more childish than they ever were. That ugly 3D animation style they use certainly doesn't help.

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 Post subject: Re: Zootopia 2
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disneyprincess11 wrote:
Ginnifer Goodwin just pretty much confirmed Zootopia 2 is happening (3:30)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AwXrWjwmzag

Finally!

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Yeah, could be my nostalgia goggles, but it's the same hing. The new movies have interesting new messages and ideas, but carry them with cookie cutter characters we've seen a million times before and are always spelled out. I dunno, the films I feel are even more childish than they ever were. That ugly 3D animation style they use certainly doesn't help.

I agree especially when it comes to the CGI animation.

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