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Now 2Disney4Ever, let's not get any ideas! Believe me, I went there before and I'm trying to change my behavior. But I'm still hopeful for 2D animation to return.

Well, I still see them and this movie for what they are. Do you?

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Well, I think the film does deserve its success, although it's undeniable that the film's change from 2D to 3D was due to how the the studio felt about TP&TF v. Tangled, and nothing related to to "story changes."

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Yeah, it was definitely Tangled that ruined that movie. Disney's fatal error was that after Princess and the Frog they should have quit CG movies, but instead they continued to believe that it was their priority now to make CG movies when it really wasn't, and then they ended up looking at the wrong movie as being "the mistake" and modeled Frozen off of the movie that was the mistake.

And so 2D animation continues to suffer because of their own incompetence.

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You got to be kidding me.

Tangled was both CGI and was in the works during PATF. They can't switch animation styles in a year. Glenn Keane, a master of 2D, chose CGI because of the stuff they can do with her hair and not make it look like, I quote, "a blob of spaghetti". So, you have to Glen Keane to blame that for.

And I'd really not want to because he was one of my 2D heroes at Disney. Besides, I know that he really wanted the film to have this 2D painted look to it, which based on that one test video on YouTube actually looked good and would have redeemed the movie for me somewhat, but obviously Disney didn't go through with it. I just like the think that the studio already wanted it to be CGI beforehand and Glen at least tried to make it 2D in some way. Because why should you want to make a CG movie if CGI is the reason why those higher-ups forced 2D artists like you out of the job you loved doing? If it was me there, I would say no and just quit.

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Here are two things that I hope do not result from Frozen's success.

1) A sequel. Frozen was an excellent film, but it does not need a follow-up, and I hope people can get over this sequel sickness that plagues so many films. Most are just fine as standalone classics. It's embarrassing how some of Disney's own films are now paired with non-canonical cheapquels. They should invest wisely in their newfound success by not cheapening the value of their films again.

2) Imitators. Of course unlike previous generations, Disney is no longer the only studio consistently making animated features. But Hollywood has a terrible habit of copying the latest success, no matter how retarded the attempt is. Hopefully, Sony, Dreamworks, and Universal will avoid the temptation of making their own "Queen Elsa" heroines or "Let it Go" anthems, and just stick with what they're doing now. They'll have better luck nurturing their own identities rather than stealing someone else's.

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"OH COME ON, REALLY?!?!"

Ack, you really think so?

I just imagine the trope of the Elphabas and Elsas (AKA female villains who are "so misunderstood!!") will be quite popular in a few years. The Wicked Witch already had a "sympathetic" origin in Oz the Great and Powerful, who knows what'll happen next. Darn you Idina Menzel!

Id actually be curious to see a couple Frozen like attempts by some of the other studios...Anastasia was one of my favorite non-Disney films...

also Id love to see if Dreamworks would have the balls to make a fairytale musical after years of making fun of them.

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Ah, yes that was Don Bluth's best Disney imitation ever. It sometimes makes me think what if he still worked at Disney at times. Then again one can say that without him going on his own and making his own movies the Disney Renaissance would not have started without him being the big competitor that motivated them to do better.

With the DreamWorks thing I see the same thing after they and others have made fun of the fairytale musical, Disney reconstructed it for a new generation. Yeah, at the beginning making fun of it was fresh but now people actually are interested in revisiting the tropes of what made Disney in the 90's so lovable. Of course its not the same as the movies we grew up watching in the 90's but it has that feel that shows that this is really Disney material. I mean look at "Wreck It Ralph" and "Frozen" they might be two different types of movies but they have the same heart that we all know Disney is capable of delivering. Its why I look forward to "Big Hero 6" because of the fact I can be assured there will be something that connects with the heart.

I still see nothing wrong with wanting a Hans atonement story.

Yes I know.


- You only want him to atone because he's hot !!!

- You are in denial, and you don't understand that he's a sadistic bastard !!!

- You poor baby him don't you ?!!!!

Yeah, yeah. Go say it. I've heard it all before.

How about

I actually see potential in the guy to actually do better ?

When it comes to Ursula, yeah I don't mind her getting stabbed by Eric's ship and getting what she deserves, and with Hans I don't mind one bit Anna punching him and the hint of future imprisonment; though I just believe that the guy, can slightly improve his ways.


You guys are all forgetting that Santino believed that his character wasn't going to return, which makes sense, before this, the chances of Hans returning was really low, because he already got defeated and he's extremely unpopular character/ villian. But the writers told him, judging by the interview with Santino, that they plan to redeem his character, and there's nothing wrong with a villian redemption story, as longs as it's written well, and reasons for villian changing and what he does while changed are solid.

Plus what do we know about his large family, childhood and why he became the douchebag that he is in the original movie ?

So there is something to do with the ginger.

The movie is most likely going to be about Elsa because she's extremely popular and Olaf because of merchandise anyways.

^ I agree with thelittleursula.

Atonement would mean giving a character more depth. Like, why would he want to atone for his actions? Who is he doing it for, himself or for others? How would he repent for potential murder? Our justice system would either have the guy imprisoned, or if he's super rich, out on bail.

But in a fantasy kingdom where ice magic makes castles and singing trolls give Vegas weddings, I imagine there are more unique opprtunities for an atonement story.

And no offense to anyone in particular, but I think some are mixing the ideas of forgiveness and atonement. Forgiveness is more of an outwardly impression on you, where you can be forgiven even if it is not warranted, or if it's justified for wrong reasons. A forgiveness story would imply that Hans would waltz right in and have Elsa and Anna forgive his actions. Or worse, if they pulled a Helsa and Elsa had a pity romance for the guy. Atonement, I feel, is more personal, man vs. self, where Hans does assess his actions and tries to improve. And by extension, the changes of his character would show others that he has changed.

But again, it's a question of if a man can change after he murdered someone (attempted or otherwise).

After playing the Walking Dead game, I'd say yes, but obviously there are many truths to the situation.

EDIT: I am referring specifically to the character of Lee from Walking Dead. In particular, how he killed his wife's lover before the zombie apocalypse began.

Source: http://www.torontosun.com/2014/07/12/jo ... i-was-here


"John Lasseter is the Walt Disney of our time"

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And of course, his only concern about the movie is the story. Then again, he is just a voice actor taking on random jobs, and some of them could probably care less about animation matters like the fate of other forms of art as long as they're working.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3pZYMrkuIg

Yeah, I'm sure that's what it is. But I suppose he is respectful of most of Pixar creations.

As for that other thing, I guess John Lasseter being this generation's Walt Disney is another example of lowering standards. (Much lower.)

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That whole statement is such a facepalm moment ….

Wasn't Walt's whole thing to not to do sequels, as he was always on the lookout to do something different and to, (shock horror), use creative people to come up with something new ?!

Frozen is at a massive risk of being shoved in our faces way way way too much at the moment; please don't flood the market Disney, and let Frozen remain special.

Josh Gad clearly hasn't seen Cars 2 or Monsters University.