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 Post subject: Re: Frozen: Part V
PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 8:05 pm 
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I do agree with you [PatrickvD] that there could've been a more threating presense on Anna and Kristoff's journey.

I'm surprised there wasn't a polar bear to be seen in the film. People get attacked by polar bears in Norway.

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 Post subject: Re: Frozen: Part V
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Frozen is on the brink of passing BATB and Aladdin and being having the second highest domestic gross for WDAS of all time :o :D

12. Beauty and the Beast - $218,967,620
13. Aladdin - $217,350,219

[color=#8000BF]14. Frozen - $210,412,773


This "domestic gross" list has always intrigued me, because the grosses can not be compared at all. The amount of money the film brings in has to do with 2 big factors; first, the ticket prices that have been doubled since 1992, so to make a good comparison with Beauty and the Beast, we need to half the money that Frozen makes. Because in the end, Beauty and the Beast had twice the amount of visitors compared to Frozen, to make the same amount of money. So in other words, Beauty and the Beast was twice as successful as Frozen.

Then there is an even more important aspect. The world population doubles every 50 years. And that rate is growing too. So, if we take a look at the population of North America in 1992, which was 280 million, compared to 2013, which is 370 million. Which grew by almost a third!!! So in order to make a good comparison with Beauty and the Beast, we need to take half of the money that Frozen made, and then take another third off of that amount. So basically we could say that Frozen has not even reached 40% of the success of Beauty and the Beast.

So in my opinion, the idea of a "gross compare list" is ridiculous.


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 Post subject: Re: Frozen: Part V
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Frozen is on the brink of passing BATB and Aladdin and being having the second highest domestic gross for WDAS of all time :o :D

12. Beauty and the Beast - $218,967,620
13. Aladdin - $217,350,219

[color=#8000BF]14. Frozen - $210,412,773


This "domestic gross" list has always intrigued me, because the grosses can not be compared at all. The amount of money the film brings in has to do with 2 big factors; first, the ticket prices that have been doubled since 1992, so to make a good comparison with Beauty and the Beast, we need to half the money that Frozen makes. Because in the end, Beauty and the Beast had twice the amount of visitors compared to Frozen, to make the same amount of money. So in other words, Beauty and the Beast was twice as successful as Frozen.

Then there is an even more important aspect. The world population doubles every 50 years. And that rate is growing too. So, if we take a look at the population of North America in 1992, which was 280 million, compared to 2013, which is 370 million. Which grew by almost a third!!! So in order to make a good comparison with Beauty and the Beast, we need to take half of the money that Frozen made, and then take another third off of that amount. So basically we could say that Frozen has not even reached 40% of the success of Beauty and the Beast.

So in my opinion, the idea of a "gross compare list" is ridiculous.


Yes, its ridiculous to compare a modern film's gross to one that opened over 20 years ago. But you can compare Frozen to "MODERN" films like Brave. Frozen needs around $38mil domestic to surpass it. I want to see if Frozen can surpass $300mil domestic! Considering it passed $200mil in less than a month, this seems doable!


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 Post subject: Re: Frozen: Part V
PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 8:49 pm 
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It also already passed Tangled which was touted as Disney's big recent box office smash.

Everyone knows about inflating ticket prices, its just a fun bit of info.

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 Post subject: Re: Frozen: Part V
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I'd be more interested in seeing a tickets-sold ranking.

At any rate, I don't think Frozen will match or pass TLK even if we don't account for inflation. Which makes TLK more impressive, actually.

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 Post subject: Re: Frozen: Part V
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There's no chance it gets that high. It's still Disney's biggest hit in the modern era of Pixar/Dreamworks dominance and will continue to grow. Expect to see a lot more Frozen in merchandise, parks, etc.

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 Post subject: Re: Frozen: Part V
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Just out of curiosity, I looked up the Est. Ticket Sales for TLM onwards from boxofficemojo:

1. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (109,000,000 when combining all releases)
2. One Hundred and One Dalmatians (99,917,300 when combining all releases)
3. The Lion King (89,146,400 when combining all releases)
4. Fantasia (83,043,500 when combining all releases)
5. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (77,471,100)
6. Fantasia (74,739,00)
7. The Lion King (74,624,400)
8. The Jungle Book (73,679,900 when combining all releases)
9. Sleeping Beauty (72,626,100 when combining all releases)
10. Sleeping Beauty (68,600,500)
11. Pinocchio (67,403,300 when combining all releases)
12. Incredibles 2 (66,236,400)
13. Bambi (63,712,400 when combining all releases)
14. Finding Nemo (61,623,900 when combining all releases)
15. Cinderella (60,301,400 when combining all releases)
16. Finding Nemo (56,337,500)
17. One Hundred and One Dalmatians (56,249,300)
18. Finding Dory (56,158,100)
19. The Jungle Book (56,144,200)
20. Lady and the Tramp (55,734,900 when combining all releases)
21. Pinocchio (55,315,100)
22. Aladdin (52,442,300)
23. Toy Story 3 (52,201,900)
24. Monsters, Inc. (49,354,800 when combining all releases)
25. Frozen (49,041,000)
26. Toy Story 2 (47,836,500)
27. Peter Pan (45,623,500 when combining all releases)
28. Beauty and the Beast (45,363,700 when combining all releases)
29. Monsters, Inc. (45,088,100)
30. Toy Story (43,868,300)
31. Inside Out (43,186,600)
32. The Incredibles (42,030,000)
33. Zootopia (39,606,100)
34. Up (39,273,800)
35. Lady and the Tramp (37,992,100)
36. Cars (37,264,600)
37. Beauty and the Beast (34,965,700)
38. A Bug's Life (34,135,500)
39. Tarzan (33,673,400)
40. Finding Dory (33,397,700)
41. Monsters University (33,220,600)
42. Peter Pan (32,590,300)
43. Pocahontas (32,547,100)
44. WALL-E (31,171,100)
45. Ratatouille (30,006,600)
46. Brave (29,973,400)
47. Big Hero 6 (26,880,400)
48. The Little Mermaid (26,487,400 when combining all releases)
49. Moana (28,267,600)
50. Mulan (25,718,600)
51. Dinosaur (25,556,200)
52. Tangled (25,173,400)
53. Lilo & Stitch (25,093,700)
54. The Rescuers (24,780,800 when combining all releases)
55. Cars 2 (23,945,000)
56. Wreck-It Ralph (23,554,200)
57. Coco (22,854,100)
58. The Hunchback of Notre Dame (22,655,800)
59. Hercules (21,593,100)
60. Chicken Little (21,107,000)
61. The Little Mermaid (20,564,200)
62. The Fox and the Hound (20,084,100 when combining all releases)
63. Cinderella (18,867,900)
64. Oliver & Company (17,861,100 when combining all releases)
65. Cars 3 (17,092,900)
66. The Emperor’s New Groove (16,097,800)
67. Bolt (15,884,900)
68. Atlantis: The Lost Empire (14,851,000)
69. The Fox and the Hound (14,352,500)
70. Meet the Robinsons (14,218,300)
71. The Good Dinosaur (14,167,700)
72. Brother Bear (14,134,000)
73. The Princess and the Frog (13,559,500)
74. Oliver & Company (13,138,900)
75. The Rescuers (13,004,500)
76. Fantasia 2000 (11,211,700)
77. The Aristocats (11,155,100 - This is from the two theatrical re-releases; there's no info. on the original release)
78. Bambi (11,111,100)
79. The Great Mouse Detective (10,031,400 when combining all releases)
80. Home on the Range (8,056,400)
81. The Great Mouse Detective (6,829,300)
82. The Rescuers Down Under (6,614,400)
83. Treasure Planet (6,527,700)
84. The Black Cauldron (5,996,800)
85. The Sword in the Stone (3,809,500 - This is from a theatrical re-release; there's no info. on the original release)
86. Winnie the Pooh (3,361,800)


Still not perfect, because it doesn't reflect the different percentage in theaters for each film, changing audience tastes, competition, etc., but better than nothing, I guess. EDIT: Decided to add in the older films, too, although some didn't have any info. or incomplete info. (Alice in Wonderland, Aristocats, The Sword in the Stone, Robin Hood) and I didn't bother with the package films. Bambi's original run and the difference the re-releases made is huge.

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 Post subject: Re: Frozen: Part V
PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 12:31 am 
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Wow, interesting info, Divinity!

It's no surprise that the films that received the most re-releases have sold more tickets overall, but it IS a surprise that Dalmatians is number 2 on the list! That almost boggles the mind... I mean, I realized how popular it was in the 90s thanks to the re-issues and the live-action remake, but, it seems like the film's pop culture status has fallen considerably in recent years. I just don't hear about it too often these days. Strange!

And I think certain films' tickets sales are rather impressive when you figure in the fact that they only had ONE theatrical outing EVER. Aladdin, Tarzan, Pocahontas, Mulan, Lilo & Stitch, Hunchback and Hercules are the specific ones I'm thinking of. (Though Tangled and Frozen and Ralph are impressive, too, but they had the surcharge of 3D added on...) Looking at those numbers, if they had continued to be re-released every anniversary like the Walt era classics, they could easily have been big winners. Aladdin most especially. It's bizarre that Disney ignores nearly ALL of those films when it comes that sort of thing... :roll:


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Also, poor, poor Winnie the Pooh. rotfl That's what happens when you stick a small film with no advertisement or marketing against the final Harry Potter. It should have be an autumn release. It might have stood a chance.


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 Post subject: Re: Frozen: Part V
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Yes the attendance is less than batb. But bear in mind. We have to look within the context of the period. What was batb's only obstacle? What challenges does frozen has to face? Piracy, youtube, torrent, basically any form of digital downloads, personal recordings and cds sold as it still plays in theaters, all just a click away. And also how consumers have predicted a 4 months gap between theater amd home video made some of the less fortunate (or lazy) opt to wait. We also have to consider whats the standard box office hit barrier of the current time. If above 200 is considered huge then it is a big hit. Nowadays the 100 mil club seems peanuts.

So if we really want to compare with the 90s, 1995 was a lousy year for box office. As far as I remember the highest earning movie of the year didn't even hit 200 mil. So comparatively pocahontas did very very good especially if we compare it with recent films. Therefore I think pocahontas deserved more love and honor from disney. But unless, we're comparing numbers?

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Re: Marky's good points, that's why we usually look to inflation adjusted box office figures for comparative success.


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 Post subject: Re: Frozen: Part V
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Looking at those numbers, if they had continued to be re-released every anniversary like the Walt era classics, they could easily have been big winners. Aladdin most especially. It's bizarre that Disney ignores nearly ALL of those films when it comes that sort of thing... :roll:



Pretty sure that won't work anymore. The earlier movies earned money from rereleases back when home video wasn't so prominent.

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Re: Marky's good points, that's why we usually look to inflation adjusted box office figures for comparative success.


On the flipside, older films like Snow White had the advantage of spending a longer time in theaters and there being no home video.


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 Post subject: Re: Frozen: Part V
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Anyone thinks now Disney is beating Pixar? i mean Winnie the Pooh has better reviews than Cars 2, Wreck it Ralph grossed more and better than Brave and now Frozen has blown away Monsters University


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 Post subject: Re: Frozen: Part V
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Sky Syndrome wrote:
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I do agree with you [PatrickvD] that there could've been a more threating presense on Anna and Kristoff's journey.

I'm surprised there wasn't a polar bear to be seen in the film. People get attacked by polar bears in Norway.

There was originally. Kinda. :) http://thedisnerd.tumblr.com/post/19839385049/frozen-formerly-known-as-the-snow-queen-tba

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 Post subject: Re: Frozen: Part V
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Thank god they went on a different path than that! :o The polar bear character would've been so annoying and insufferable.

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 Post subject: Re: Frozen: Part V
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Musical Master wrote:
Thank god they went on a different path than that! :o The polar bear character would've been so annoying and insufferable.


How do we know that? Anyway, that is what everyone was/is saying about Olaf.


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Thank god they went on a different path than that! :o The polar bear character would've been so annoying and insufferable.


How do we know that? Anyway, that is what everyone was/is saying about Olaf.


I did read somewhere that he would've been the bumbling sidekick to the Snow Queen (who was the villain at the time).

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I dunno, I think it looks cute. :D

But I remember at that time the Snow Queen would be turned into this comedic film, with the Snow Queen being sorta like a winter Yzma (similar design and all). Do not want.

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I dunno, I think it looks cute. :D

But I remember at that time the Snow Queen would be turned into this comedic film, with the Snow Queen being sorta like a winter Yzma (similar design and all). Do not want.


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In a way, has Elsa sorta "remodeled" the Snow Queen role? Because in all the adaptations of the Snow Queen she's a villain, while in the book she's a much more neutral character (and apart from her design, she doesn't really stand out much).

Would Elsa be for the Snow Queen what Disney's Snow White is for the original fairy tale? As in, you hear the name and the first thing to come up in your mind is the Disney version?

Doug Walker believed Robin Hood and Tarzan would hold that title, but I still see people remembering fondly the Errol Flynn and Maureen O'Sullivan movies.

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thedisneyspirit wrote:
In a way, has Elsa sorta "remodeled" the Snow Queen role? Because in all the adaptations of the Snow Queen she's a villain, while in the book she's a much more neutral character (and apart from her design, she doesn't really stand out much).

Would Elsa be for the Snow Queen like Disney's Snow White is for the original fairy tale? As in, you hear the name and the first thing to come up in your mind is the Disney version?

Doug Walker believed Robin Hood and Tarzan would hold that title, but I still see people remembering fondly the Errol Flynn and Maureen O'Sullivan movies.


I dunno, but it probably made the Snow Queen story a lot more popular.

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