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is disney creating a perfect world????

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Hi everyone!

A while ago, there were some people protesting against disney, because they think disney only uses beautifull, strong, great, perfect characters for the role as hero/main character in their animated movies.
For my education, international communication management, I am doing a research on this topic. Now is my question to you can you give me your opinion on the following questions:

:arrow: Do you think disney is using only perfect characters for their animated movies?

:arrow: Is disney trying to create a perfect world in their animated movies?

:arrow: Do you think children (or you) get influenced by the idea of 'the perfect world of disney', through watching disney's animated movies?

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I think you might find http://www.SaveDisney.com useful for your research...
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thanks :)
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marr wrote:Hi everyone!

A while ago, there were some people protesting against disney, because they think disney only uses beautifull, strong, great, perfect characters for the role as hero/main character in their animated movies.
For my education, international communication management, I am doing a research on this topic. Now is my question to you can you give me your opinion on the following questions:

:arrow: Do you think disney is using only perfect characters for their animated movies?

:arrow: Is disney trying to create a perfect world in their animated movies?

:arrow: Do you think children (or you) get influenced by the idea of 'the perfect world of disney', through watching disney's animated movies?

Thank you,
Marjolein
Hello Marjolein let me first start off by sharing my opinion with you on these people who said Disney was Creating a perfect world. Well I think they are ignorant and have no clue what they are talking about and they have not done thier reasearch well at least not very well. But hey like I said thats just my opinion.

Disney is by no means using a perfect characters all the time biggest example Quasimodo he was the Hunchback of NotreDame an ugly gace and a deformed body. He was the hero in that story he portrayed the one of the best messages that could ever be shared with a child its the inner beauty in a person that counts not the outside. Another Character who shows this is Beast from Beauty and the Beast. He was Hedious could scare anyone he too show inner beauty is what makes you special. And what about Little Nemo and his retared fin he was by no menas perfect. Those are just a few of the many examples that I know exist.

Disney in no way has fooled children into thinking the world is perfect. I could see how maybe back when the old classics were being made but in thier defense if you look into the history the time period in which the movie was being made people and especially children need a form of escape cause lets face it your only a kid once why worry them with wars and great depression. In a perfect world there would be no fights, No dis functional familys, and people would not have goals. I would say in a good amount of the Disney movies the main Characters are lacking a parent: Snow White No mother no Father *Step mom, Cinderella No Mother Father Dies step mother and 2 step sisters, In Bambi Children can hear the bullet that kills his mother. In the Lion King Simba watches his father die, Aladdin a poor street rat, Oliver and Comapny no body wants Oliver at first, arzan Pearents die even the head Gorilla, The very beginning of Nemo Coral dies, Brother Bear In the beginning of the move the oldest brother dies, and Lilo and Stitch that one is the best example a older sister bascially fighthing for the right to keep her younger sistter I mean the movie has a social worker and everything you see Lilo and get excluded from hanging with her friends and feel the pain anger and saddnes she is going through. From this is where the plot of each story begins. Does that sound like a perfect world to you?

By saying that children dont get influenced I would be lieing however they are not stupid they pick up the postive messages mre than anything. Yes they may question somethings they see however them mind of a child is pure and nothing but innocence growing up is when a child starts to realize the world is perfect. And alos depends on the realtionship they have at home with thier familys tyhey might already know what conflict and problmes feel like if anything Disney movies for those children might be a ray of hope that things will get better. And that if they work for what they want and do the right things thier Dreams can come true. Again a movie that comes to mind is Lilo and Stitch. Stitch was an evil experiment but he changed when he saw that there was so much more to the wolr dthen destroying things and hurting people right there a lesson to be learned.

Anyways I am really longwinded and I could go on and on if I wanted but I wont I hope these arguments help you :) .
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People will accuse Disney of anything. It is funny how on one hand you will hear people say, "Look at evil Disney! They are telling our young girls that they have to be thin, beautiful princesses to be accepted and that's an unrealistic standard to live up to." And on the other hand you will hear people say, "Omigosh! Everyone in the country is getting fat! All they do is sit around eating junk food and playing video games! We need to start emphasizing health and fitness and proper eating habits!"
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There are no perfect characters in Disney. There might be some that are very strong, or very smart, or very attractive...but they all have weaknesses. There would be no plot if characters were perfect, there wouldn't be much of a story if it began with "And they lived happily ever after".

Disney has so many problems right now, but this is just not one of them. There has to be a better way to spend your time.
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PrinceAli wrote: Disney has so many problems right now, but this is just not one of them. There has to be a better way to spend your time.
I agree. If you are doing this research for a project that will be graded, I think you should reconsider your topic.

I don't know if it falls under "international communication management", but I think the current goings on with Ei$ner, Roy Disney, and the future CEO would be a very interesting topic. There are a ton of articles on SaveDisney.com that could be useful. Especially some sort of study on the success/failure of the "communication" link between Eisner and the y employees/consumers....
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I think it's a great thesis, if you plan on shooting down the protests.

Nearly every Disney character exhibits some flaw, whether it be in character, appearance, or both. These flaws are often the driving force behind the plot. As has been pointed out here, themes of character over the superficial and of life's injustices pervade Disney's films-- old and new. To answer your question, no, they don't try to create the illusion of a perfect world, far from it. They merely seek to add a little magic to the imperfect world we live in, while conveying important morals at the same time.

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I don't think they're seeking to create a 'perfect world' . . . perhaps a better one, but everyone knows there's no such thing as perfection, as it means different things for everyone. However, they are trying to make the world a better place by producing wonderful movies with great morals.
As for the issue of Disney portraying perfect worlds and perfect characters, I agree with what everyone else has said here. Quasimodo and the Beast are perfect ( :) ) examples on the male end of things, and as for females, Lilo doesn't fit in with the rest of her peer group, and neither does Alice. I think this is a very good idea for a persuasive essay, or whatever it is you're doing. Good luck! :D
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But the idea is, at the end of each movie, the world is "pefect". The Beast supposedly learns his lesson, is turned human again and (we assume) marries Belle.

Quasimodo may get rejected romantically, but he goes out into the streets of Paris and is accepted by everyone, so he is happy. Remember in the book Esmerelda and Quasimodo die.

Even Lilo ends up with a replacement family at the end of Lilo and Stitch and it we are to assume her anti-social behaviour is caused by her family circumstance and trauma, we can also assume her behaviour will get better after the film ends.

Other examples are Kenai accepting responsibility for Koda and deciding to stay as a bear in Brother Bear. Pinocchio learning all his lessons and becoming a real boy. Prince Philip killing Maleificent in Sleeping Beauty and marrying his true love (who also happens to be the girl his parents wanted him to marry, thus pleasing everyone and having an ending totally free of any hint of controversy)... I can't really think of a "non-perfect world" ending to any animated film.

I don't think it is unfair to say that all of Disney's animated films are about creating the perfect world. But I don't see why this should be an issue really. It's just nit-picking again.
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Yes, I agree with everything here, but to add onto "perfect" characters...I personally think that Aladdin is the most flawed character in animated Disney history. :D
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If you want to look past the films than you might be able to find some validity in your argument. Take Walt's original vision of Epcot as the "ideal community" for example, add the quaint and minaturized saccharine composition of the parks today; the subtext to me implying the conception of a sterile, candy-coated packaged view of foreign cultures which are cute to look at but not to really deal with in a realistic way and you can talk about cultural imperialism at its worst...
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in my opinion Disney very well may be using the 'happily ever after', 'the prince always gets the princess in the end, 'all ends well', 'dreams come true', and 'good always beats evil' idea at the end of their stories. But whats wrong with that? I mean, when I was younger all I ever watched was the Lion King, The Little Mermaid, 101 Dalmations, and Free Willy. And yea, so they all end perfect, but if they hadn't nobody would want to watch another movie. People watch movies to get away from ordinary life, to get away from that constant noise of troubled lives, and when you are younger I think it's important that kids, especially those in broken homes or otherwise troubled homes, to be able to watch a movie where the prince and the princess go off into the sunset on a white horse, and where the imperfect face (Quasimodo) can still go on...even without the girl of his dreams. And yea, it may be unrealistic....but that's why people like it. I mean .... look at Harry Potter. You can't tell me the same parents who say their kids shouldn't be brought up thinking life is happily ever after don't complain about that their kids shouldn't be brought up thinking a giant will save them from the rein of their wicked aunt and uncle! I personally think kids need a bit of magic. And apart from the happily ever after idea....movies (well most) teach kids you need to work for what you want and then in the end you get your happily ever after. I mean....look at Ariel, she had to do alot inorder to get her prince. People are cutting Disney too quick....just saying they have a happy ending...but forgetting about what the characters had to DO in order to get their happy ending.
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I'd agree with you in terms of the majority of Disney animated features, EXCEPT for Lilo & Stitch.

This is very downbeat and morally-ambiguous movie, populated by anti-social, abusive and near-psychotic characters, and topped off by an ultra-violent maniac of a side-kick.

L&S is really an anti-Disney movie made by Disney.
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Here is another thought to ever came up with this crazy theory. If a story didnt end happy? whats the point in having a story I cant think of any movie today that dosent have some what of a postive ending no matter how bad of conflict there myabe. Sure people may die or get huirt or something but in the end the Hero always comes out on top and this for movies that are not Disney movies. Seems to me that Disney is just one of the main targets.
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I really don't see what the "happy ending" has to do with the original questions posed.

A "perfect world" has to do with the characters, the environment, the journey and exactly how that matches against what we perceive as a "realistic world". Even if you're a wooden puppet who thinks he's a real boy, the "movie world" has a certain slant that either be semi-realistic or a near-perfect fantasy.

Sure, some characters may have flaws or pasts, but other than the psychotic characters in Lilo & Stitch (which are far worse than "real people"), Meg from Hercules is perhaps the only non-villain that could be viewed in the same light.

Otherwise it's perfect world city, where a thief becomes a prince, a wooden puppet gets to be a real boy, and nothing really go wrong and no main characters die.

Heck, even drek like Van Helsing killed off the love interest, and you'll never see that in a Disney flick.
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Lots of movies don't have happy endings. In some respects it's a shame that people do always expect and desire happy endings.

Moulin Rouge!, American Beauty, Titanic, Cast Away, Citizen Kane, Memento, Bridge on the River Kwai, Donnie Darko, Glory, the Sixth Sense. All are films without happy endings just dragged up from a quick glance at my DVD shelf (yes, I'm sorry to report we have Titanic).

Then there's films which have ambiguous endings, even recent blockbusters such as Spider-Man and X2 have these. You'd be hard pushed to call those endings happy.
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I wouldn't say disney's create a perfect world, but it is certainly an ideal world in terms of the fact that the main characters tend to rise above any adversity that they may encounter. There are pieces of each film that make it obvious that it never is perfect though: corrupt people like the insane asylum guy taking bribes in Beauty and the Beast, the kids starving in Alladin, death of parents in tons of them. I think the over all message is that you can get past these things. Even in Titanic it was sad, but Rose went on to live a good life which is a similar message. Besides, these are for kids, and kids like to see things resolved positively at the end.
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They are fairy talkes they are supposed to be perfect. They are a way to get out of our presen situation if we deam it undesirable and want a better place to live, so we put ourselves in their perfect world.
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Ludwig Von Drake wrote:They are fairy talkes they are supposed to be perfect. They are a way to get out of our presen situation if we deam it undesirable and want a better place to live, so we put ourselves in their perfect world.
Apart from most of the original fairytales being much darker and even some having sad endings. (The original Little Mermaid for example). Disney fairytales aren't fairytales - they are Hollywood tinted fairytales.

As for children only expecting happy endings, I personally think this is wrong. Lots of literature has been written specifically for children without happy endings. I don't think anybody should expect a happy ending to anything (although they may prefer it).
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