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I liked the first Ice Age film, I mean the animation is pretty good if not in the same standards as Toy Story and other Pixar films, or even Shrek as far as DreamWorks films go.
But, here are my "worst" films list...
5. Superbabies: Baby Geniuses 2 (2004)
My GOD was that a train wreck. I mean, really, how come Bob Clark had to milk his career by making the first Baby Geniuses film, Karate Dog, and this?! Jesus, and I thought the first one was gonna be in the Bottom 5, but this is just wrong. I mean, why is Jon Voight in this film? I feel sorry for Jon Voight.
The worst part about this film, though, is that there is a fanbase! What?! Are you fucking kidding me? And what's worse, they didn't even see the movie, they just say, "Oh, the movie is great because the babies are cute!" That doesn't even make the movie!
4. Disaster Movie (2008)
Okay, I will admit, I like the first Scary Movie film. It was funny, if not spectacular. I didn't think it needed a sequel, but it did. While the sequel was okay, the rest are just crap. But then came the spinoffs. Usually they are made by Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer. They are known for overusing the jokes, offending people in the wrongest way possible, unnecessary vulgarities, jokes that don't even make sense, and etc.
Disaster Movie is NOT an exception. Made by Friedberg and Seltzer, it was a disaster. There is plot where the people are attacked by twisters, meteors, and stuff, and in order to stop, the 4 guys have to go to a museum and find the kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Do you think that's a spectacular plot development? *5 second pause* You hear the crickets chirping. That means no one cares. Though, the good part is where Hannah Montana gets killed, because I hate Hannah Montana and all the tween crap we have on the Disney Channel nowadays, the film still fails so much that it makes their other film, Meet the Spartans looks like The Godfather!
3. Eegah! (1962)
Damn, I have to suffer from this movie. But no worries, the MST3K episode of this unholy film was hilarious. But nevertheless, the film is so offensive. Even towards cavemen. Starring Richard Kiel as the caveman named Eegah who kidnaps a girl named Roxy (played by Marilyn Manning) and makes way through the swimming pool. Why the hell is it generic?
Also, the acting is terrible. They only say dumb lines in the film. So please, if you want to sheer true pain, watch this movie. It's abysmal. But the MST3K episode was funny.
2. Barney's Great Adventure (1998)
I hate Barney so much. It's just a purple, and creepy dinosaur that plays with children. I never cared for Barney, and I had to watch this film when I was a child. I had nightmares with this dinosaur and I only saw it when I was 7. It was about Barney in his adventure with the kids to find the egg. I call this an extended episode of Barney, the reason why is because it plays like one and like the show, it fails miserably!
Funny part about it is that Roger Ebert gave this a positive review. Then again, he liked all of the Garfield films, Zookeeper, Cars 2, and hated Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. But yeah, if you are a preschooler and you like or love Barney, give it a try, otherwise, beware!
1. Daddy Day Camp (2007)
Why does this movie exist? This first movie, Daddy Day Care with Eddie Murphy was mediocre at its best, but it was still and innocent film. But this?! I'm so glad Eddie passed on the film. Then again, he did star in Norbit and some other crappy Eddie Murphy movies.
This film is about Charlie Hinton (replaced by Cuba Gooding, Jr.) and his friend, Phil (played by Paul Rae and replaced Jeff Garlin) going with the kids to an abandoned camp for the summer, when they decide to work together, but then, the rival camp kids come and they star a big war.
And why the hell did J. David Stern and David N. Weiss, the screenwriters of one of the Rugrats movies and Shrek 2 have to write this shit? I mean, the jokes are hilarious if I was braindead, I mean, I thought all the movies/specials that Doug Walker (TGWTG) made are unfunny, no offense if you like TGWTG, but this movie is crap!
That's the list.
But, here are my "worst" films list...
5. Superbabies: Baby Geniuses 2 (2004)
My GOD was that a train wreck. I mean, really, how come Bob Clark had to milk his career by making the first Baby Geniuses film, Karate Dog, and this?! Jesus, and I thought the first one was gonna be in the Bottom 5, but this is just wrong. I mean, why is Jon Voight in this film? I feel sorry for Jon Voight.
The worst part about this film, though, is that there is a fanbase! What?! Are you fucking kidding me? And what's worse, they didn't even see the movie, they just say, "Oh, the movie is great because the babies are cute!" That doesn't even make the movie!
4. Disaster Movie (2008)
Okay, I will admit, I like the first Scary Movie film. It was funny, if not spectacular. I didn't think it needed a sequel, but it did. While the sequel was okay, the rest are just crap. But then came the spinoffs. Usually they are made by Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer. They are known for overusing the jokes, offending people in the wrongest way possible, unnecessary vulgarities, jokes that don't even make sense, and etc.
Disaster Movie is NOT an exception. Made by Friedberg and Seltzer, it was a disaster. There is plot where the people are attacked by twisters, meteors, and stuff, and in order to stop, the 4 guys have to go to a museum and find the kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Do you think that's a spectacular plot development? *5 second pause* You hear the crickets chirping. That means no one cares. Though, the good part is where Hannah Montana gets killed, because I hate Hannah Montana and all the tween crap we have on the Disney Channel nowadays, the film still fails so much that it makes their other film, Meet the Spartans looks like The Godfather!
3. Eegah! (1962)
Damn, I have to suffer from this movie. But no worries, the MST3K episode of this unholy film was hilarious. But nevertheless, the film is so offensive. Even towards cavemen. Starring Richard Kiel as the caveman named Eegah who kidnaps a girl named Roxy (played by Marilyn Manning) and makes way through the swimming pool. Why the hell is it generic?
Also, the acting is terrible. They only say dumb lines in the film. So please, if you want to sheer true pain, watch this movie. It's abysmal. But the MST3K episode was funny.
2. Barney's Great Adventure (1998)
I hate Barney so much. It's just a purple, and creepy dinosaur that plays with children. I never cared for Barney, and I had to watch this film when I was a child. I had nightmares with this dinosaur and I only saw it when I was 7. It was about Barney in his adventure with the kids to find the egg. I call this an extended episode of Barney, the reason why is because it plays like one and like the show, it fails miserably!
Funny part about it is that Roger Ebert gave this a positive review. Then again, he liked all of the Garfield films, Zookeeper, Cars 2, and hated Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. But yeah, if you are a preschooler and you like or love Barney, give it a try, otherwise, beware!
1. Daddy Day Camp (2007)
Why does this movie exist? This first movie, Daddy Day Care with Eddie Murphy was mediocre at its best, but it was still and innocent film. But this?! I'm so glad Eddie passed on the film. Then again, he did star in Norbit and some other crappy Eddie Murphy movies.
This film is about Charlie Hinton (replaced by Cuba Gooding, Jr.) and his friend, Phil (played by Paul Rae and replaced Jeff Garlin) going with the kids to an abandoned camp for the summer, when they decide to work together, but then, the rival camp kids come and they star a big war.
And why the hell did J. David Stern and David N. Weiss, the screenwriters of one of the Rugrats movies and Shrek 2 have to write this shit? I mean, the jokes are hilarious if I was braindead, I mean, I thought all the movies/specials that Doug Walker (TGWTG) made are unfunny, no offense if you like TGWTG, but this movie is crap!
That's the list.
I'll add more later, because writing down all my experiences with bad movies takes a lot of time. 
Live Free or Die Hard (a.k.a. Die Hard 4.0 outside of the US): What set the 'Die Hard'-series apart from most other action movies, was that its protagonist wasn't a stone-faced superhero devoid of any fear or emotion. John MacLane was just the wrong guy in the wrong place at the wrong time. He didn't want to be a hero, he was forced to be one and he had to work really damn hard to become one. And he often got hurt! Among all the other action movies (the dumb, clichéd ones), this was a breath of fresh air. And then the fourth installment came along and changed all that. Bruce Willis jumps from airborne busses onto the wings of private jet planes without batting an eye. He looks like a robot devoid of any emotions; everything goes just perfect for him.
This movie also decided it didn't need the charistmatic villain, like Alan Rickman or Jeremy Irons in previous parts. No, they just went with a bunch of nameless, faceless teenagers (or that's how they looked and acted) who operate from a distance and barely get any screentime. The writers also gave Willis an irritating sidekick who made MacLane look stupid all the time. (Previous parts had established MacLane had trouble adjusting to new technologies, but he certainly wasn't clueless, like he seems to be in this movie.) To top it all off, they added a teenage daughter who we only see in the first five minutes -in which she behaves like an ass and says she hates her father- but about whom we somehow are expected to care when she gets kidnapped in the last 10 minutes in a pathetic plot-twist, because the writers had painted themselves in a corner. A cheap cop-out that didn't work for me at all.
And after I explained all this to my parents, who greatly enjoyed the movie and didn't see any inconsistencies with the previous installments, they looked at me as if I had lost my mind...
Live Free or Die Hard (a.k.a. Die Hard 4.0 outside of the US): What set the 'Die Hard'-series apart from most other action movies, was that its protagonist wasn't a stone-faced superhero devoid of any fear or emotion. John MacLane was just the wrong guy in the wrong place at the wrong time. He didn't want to be a hero, he was forced to be one and he had to work really damn hard to become one. And he often got hurt! Among all the other action movies (the dumb, clichéd ones), this was a breath of fresh air. And then the fourth installment came along and changed all that. Bruce Willis jumps from airborne busses onto the wings of private jet planes without batting an eye. He looks like a robot devoid of any emotions; everything goes just perfect for him.
This movie also decided it didn't need the charistmatic villain, like Alan Rickman or Jeremy Irons in previous parts. No, they just went with a bunch of nameless, faceless teenagers (or that's how they looked and acted) who operate from a distance and barely get any screentime. The writers also gave Willis an irritating sidekick who made MacLane look stupid all the time. (Previous parts had established MacLane had trouble adjusting to new technologies, but he certainly wasn't clueless, like he seems to be in this movie.) To top it all off, they added a teenage daughter who we only see in the first five minutes -in which she behaves like an ass and says she hates her father- but about whom we somehow are expected to care when she gets kidnapped in the last 10 minutes in a pathetic plot-twist, because the writers had painted themselves in a corner. A cheap cop-out that didn't work for me at all.
And after I explained all this to my parents, who greatly enjoyed the movie and didn't see any inconsistencies with the previous installments, they looked at me as if I had lost my mind...
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Problem Child(1990)/Problem Child 2 (1991) - I hate both of these movies with a passion (the second one more as I never saw the first one entirely) and they make me sick thinking about them. The main kid is very annoying, the jokes are disgusting and unfunny in both films, consisting of bodily function humor, mean spirited pranks, etc. The scariest thing is that there was also a made-for-tv sequel in the mid 90s (which I never saw, thank god).
(Insert Genre Here) Movie - Any of these parody movies made in the past decade (with the possible exception of the first 2 Scary Movies) are all terrible and unfunny. They all seem to come from the same writers and directors too (The names escape me) If the writers of these movies want to know how to make a good parody movie, they should take lessons from the people who made the Airplane! and The Naked Gun movies.
Garfield the Movie: Besides the fact that the main character looks NOTHING like he does in the comic strip or the classic tv show from the late 80s/ early 90s (Thanks in part to the ugly CGI), they actually decide make him talk (instead of making him think). They also have to do a cliched and predictable storyline. The other thing that annoys me about this is the countless number of taking a cartoon and adapting it to a feature film clones this inspired (exapmles: Alvin and the Chipmunks, The Smurfs, Yogi Bear, etc)
Max Keeble's Big Move: Easily one of the worst things crapped out by Disney EVER. The film is nothing more than a cliched predictable plot with an annoying cast mean spirited jokes.
(Insert Genre Here) Movie - Any of these parody movies made in the past decade (with the possible exception of the first 2 Scary Movies) are all terrible and unfunny. They all seem to come from the same writers and directors too (The names escape me) If the writers of these movies want to know how to make a good parody movie, they should take lessons from the people who made the Airplane! and The Naked Gun movies.
Garfield the Movie: Besides the fact that the main character looks NOTHING like he does in the comic strip or the classic tv show from the late 80s/ early 90s (Thanks in part to the ugly CGI), they actually decide make him talk (instead of making him think). They also have to do a cliched and predictable storyline. The other thing that annoys me about this is the countless number of taking a cartoon and adapting it to a feature film clones this inspired (exapmles: Alvin and the Chipmunks, The Smurfs, Yogi Bear, etc)
Max Keeble's Big Move: Easily one of the worst things crapped out by Disney EVER. The film is nothing more than a cliched predictable plot with an annoying cast mean spirited jokes.
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My list would include, of course, Ishtar, what a piece of garbage that was. And another more recent film was Skyline, which was not even close to be a tolerable movie.
Some others:
Garfield, the Movie
Garfield A Tale of Two Kitties - why did they even try this one?
The Hangover - I just didn't get it!!!
The Hangover II - same thing, different location. Terrible.
The Change-Up - another try at the "Freaky Friday" syndrome and failing.
There are so many more, but those are at the top of the list.
Some others:
Garfield, the Movie
Garfield A Tale of Two Kitties - why did they even try this one?
The Hangover - I just didn't get it!!!
The Hangover II - same thing, different location. Terrible.
The Change-Up - another try at the "Freaky Friday" syndrome and failing.
There are so many more, but those are at the top of the list.
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The Ghost Writer: Roman Polanski can make brilliant films, but he can also make real stinkers, like this one. Why it's gotten all the praise, I'll never know. The film takes over an hour to get interesting (almost nothing happens in the first hour, and that's a cardinal sin in a 'political thriller'), and then it quickly turns ridiculous because the so-called big 'conspiracy' is not a conspiracy at all, but almost standard practice. (The British prime-minister is being influenced by the US government! Oh no, what a surprise!) Oh, and the main character unravels the 'conspiracy' by using information from public websites. He is on Google for 5 minutes and he knows everything! 
To start off:
Georgia Rule: Despite the bad press behind this film, this was not Lindsay Lohan's fault. She was actually one of the film's highlights. But even she couldn't save what was essentially a poor screenplay as a result of a derailed storyline.
So the movie is supposed to be about a delinquent 18-yr old spending the summer with her ultra-conservative grandmother to learn some manners. Part of what Lindsay reveals to get attention in town is a secret affair with her stepfather, which was initally treated as a joke. The whole movie went downhill when said lie turned out to be real, and suddenly, the stepdad is the real bad guy.
The movie started out as sort of a family comedy, and the trailers even played it up as a feel-good mother/daughter story. It's actually much darker than it let on, and it comes off as lying to its audience. Lindsay was the least of this film's problems.
Shrek 2: The movie that turned me away from DreamWorks for a long time. The movie simply symbolized everything that I've come to dislike about the studio, including their pretentiously loud choices of storytelling, and their gratuitous Disney bashing, which at the time seemed in bad taste based from what Disney was going thru at the time. Not to mention their sequel fetish; Shreks 3 and 4 were already planned even before this sucker was release.
The Black Cauldron: The only Disney animated film (not counting DTV sequels) that I really hate. Poor art, dull story, bland characters, and very little music all in a confused attempt to break from the norm.
What makes this so tragic is that it didn't have to be this bad. Yet it was the ultimate casualty of the civil war that went on behind-the-scenes for so many years. Disney must have needed to hit rock bottom before they got serious about making real movies again.
Dude, Where's My Car?: Just horrible.
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Georgia Rule: Despite the bad press behind this film, this was not Lindsay Lohan's fault. She was actually one of the film's highlights. But even she couldn't save what was essentially a poor screenplay as a result of a derailed storyline.
So the movie is supposed to be about a delinquent 18-yr old spending the summer with her ultra-conservative grandmother to learn some manners. Part of what Lindsay reveals to get attention in town is a secret affair with her stepfather, which was initally treated as a joke. The whole movie went downhill when said lie turned out to be real, and suddenly, the stepdad is the real bad guy.
The movie started out as sort of a family comedy, and the trailers even played it up as a feel-good mother/daughter story. It's actually much darker than it let on, and it comes off as lying to its audience. Lindsay was the least of this film's problems.
Shrek 2: The movie that turned me away from DreamWorks for a long time. The movie simply symbolized everything that I've come to dislike about the studio, including their pretentiously loud choices of storytelling, and their gratuitous Disney bashing, which at the time seemed in bad taste based from what Disney was going thru at the time. Not to mention their sequel fetish; Shreks 3 and 4 were already planned even before this sucker was release.
The Black Cauldron: The only Disney animated film (not counting DTV sequels) that I really hate. Poor art, dull story, bland characters, and very little music all in a confused attempt to break from the norm.
What makes this so tragic is that it didn't have to be this bad. Yet it was the ultimate casualty of the civil war that went on behind-the-scenes for so many years. Disney must have needed to hit rock bottom before they got serious about making real movies again.
Dude, Where's My Car?: Just horrible.
Where the Heart Is: The Wal-Mart Movie.
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Some I'm thinking of:
Sweet Home Alabama ~ Everyone treats the Reese Witherspoon like crap just because she moved to north, then act like she's turned into a selfish b*tch.
Revolutionary Road ~ This film feels like it's trying way too hard to make life miserable for all the characters.
Nine ~ Dull and un-watchable. It was chore trying to get through a third of it.
I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry
Lady in the Water
The Grudge
Wrath of the Titans ~ More focused on special effects than the mythology.
Wedding Crashers
Meet the Parents ~ I hated the fiance in this. She should've put a stop to all her family's bs.
Drowning Mona
The Box ~ This entire thing felt like some kind of misogynist propaganda. Basically blaming women for being materialistic, greedy, selfish bitches a la Eve. It made me feel somewhat better that the film ended with the twist that the fact that the husbands would kill their wives was the real crime. Still, didn't like how it was only the women who would take the box in every case.
It'd take too much time to explain for all of them, but if you've seen them, you probably know what I mean.
Sweet Home Alabama ~ Everyone treats the Reese Witherspoon like crap just because she moved to north, then act like she's turned into a selfish b*tch.
Revolutionary Road ~ This film feels like it's trying way too hard to make life miserable for all the characters.
Nine ~ Dull and un-watchable. It was chore trying to get through a third of it.
I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry
Lady in the Water
The Grudge
Wrath of the Titans ~ More focused on special effects than the mythology.
Wedding Crashers
Meet the Parents ~ I hated the fiance in this. She should've put a stop to all her family's bs.
Drowning Mona
The Box ~ This entire thing felt like some kind of misogynist propaganda. Basically blaming women for being materialistic, greedy, selfish bitches a la Eve. It made me feel somewhat better that the film ended with the twist that the fact that the husbands would kill their wives was the real crime. Still, didn't like how it was only the women who would take the box in every case.
It'd take too much time to explain for all of them, but if you've seen them, you probably know what I mean.
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Christina Aguilera ~ "Cruz"
Sombr ~ "homewrecker"
Megan Moroney ~ "Beautiful Things"
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Dr Frankenollie wrote:Ice Age
Titanic
Pirates of the Caribbean 1
Goliath wrote:Live Free or Die Hard
The Ghost Writer
dvdjunkie wrote:The Hangover
You people are really lucky if these are the WORST movies you've ever seen. I've seen movies that I've turned off part way into, fallen asleep during every attempt to watch and movies that are just plain insufferable. Hell, I feel like everyone should get a T-shirt that says "I survived Robert Altman" after watching one of his films, as they're just such an excruciatingly dull chore to get through. It's obvious that none of you have seen any of Shyamalan's last few flicks, you lucky bastards.Semaj wrote:Shrek 2
First of all, HOLY SHIT, did you see a pre-screening for Wrath of the Titans or what? I didn't even know it was that far along.Disney's Divinity wrote:Wrath of the Titans ~ More focused on special effects than the mythology.
Wedding Crashers
Also, everything with Chaz (Will Ferrell) in Wedding Crashers was hilarious. Everything else, not so much.
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No. I just wrote the wrong word. Funny how things are never as interesting as they seem with the Internet.jpanimation wrote:First of all, HOLY SHIT, did you see a pre-screening for Wrath of the Titans or what? I didn't even know it was that far along.
Listening to most often lately:
Christina Aguilera ~ "Cruz"
Sombr ~ "homewrecker"
Megan Moroney ~ "Beautiful Things"
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No, need to eye roll. It's all opinion just like all the movies you listed, other than SharkTale (which I have anyway for some odd reason), I quite enjoy. For a real bad movie look at the classics: Manos: The Hands of Fate, and Plan 9 From Outer Space or for more recent shlock Troll 2, The Room and Birdemic.Dr Frankenollie wrote:[
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Lol, agreed. I can't even imagine choosing Titanic over something like Batman and Robin or any Twilight movie. I guess some people are either really lucky as you say, or are getting "worst" confused with "over-rated" or an ordinary "I didn't like it".jpanimation wrote:You people are really lucky if these are the WORST movies you've ever seen.
For me any Coleman Francis movie takes the cake (Red Zone Cuba, The Beast of Yucca Flats). Thank goddness for MST3K.
How could I have forgotten about that disaster of a movie?Disney's Divinity wrote:Revolutionary Road ~ This film feels like it's trying way too hard to make life miserable for all the characters.
Good that you mention him. The no. 1 worst movie I've ever seen, is his Gosford Park. I had forgotten about it, thankfully, until you had to bring him up again.jpanimation wrote:[Hell, I feel like everyone should get a T-shirt that says "I survived Robert Altman" after watching one of his films, as they're just such an excruciatingly dull chore to get through.
Get your head examined.Dr Frankenollie wrote:
Another one that was a real snoozefest, is A Room With A View (1985). Holy shit, what a pain that was! Turned it off five times, then decided to continue watching, but what for I still don't know. Eventually, I turned it off altogether.
Once Upon A Time In Mexico: What a mess of a movie! I don't have any problems with complicated movies or information-overload, but this one is impossible to follow or plainly to make sense of. And what a blatant example of false advertising: saying Salma Hayek will be in the film and pretend she's one of the leading characters, then while watching find out she's only in it for a 5 minute flashback.
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I did not hate the first Ice Age movie, nor do I consider it a classic of animation, but I can never make it through the second film. I've tried several times and each time, I got bored with it and turned it off. The story just felt too dull and preachy this time around. From what I saw of it, Scrat was the only good part of it.
As for The Hangover, I agree it's not the comedic brilliance that a lot of people have made it out to be, but it does have a few good moments enough to not rank it in my worst movies ever list either. I have not seen the sequel yet, but judging from the reviews, I am not sure I would want to. It seems to follow the "Home Alone" style of sequels where they use the same formula, just in a different setting and with different jokes.
Out of all the Star Wars movies, my least favorite is Episode I: The Phantom Menace. I know I am not the only one who thinks this and I hate to beat a dead horse, but this is the worst Star Wars movie EVER! Why is it bad? Three words: JAR JAR BINKS!
As for The Hangover, I agree it's not the comedic brilliance that a lot of people have made it out to be, but it does have a few good moments enough to not rank it in my worst movies ever list either. I have not seen the sequel yet, but judging from the reviews, I am not sure I would want to. It seems to follow the "Home Alone" style of sequels where they use the same formula, just in a different setting and with different jokes.
Out of all the Star Wars movies, my least favorite is Episode I: The Phantom Menace. I know I am not the only one who thinks this and I hate to beat a dead horse, but this is the worst Star Wars movie EVER! Why is it bad? Three words: JAR JAR BINKS!
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Home on the Range (2004) - Obnoxious film, mostly because of Maggie. The best part is the score by Alan Menken.
The Secret of NIMH 2: Timmy to the Rescue (1998) - A disgrace to the original film. Poor animation, poor storytelling, and ignores what had been established in the original film (the rats continue to steal from humans when they're living in Thorn Valley despite the fact in the original film they decided not to steal from humans when they live in Thorn Valley, the Stone gets no appearance or reference, Jeremy isn't seen with his girlfriend at all and no explanation why).
The Secret of NIMH 2: Timmy to the Rescue (1998) - A disgrace to the original film. Poor animation, poor storytelling, and ignores what had been established in the original film (the rats continue to steal from humans when they're living in Thorn Valley despite the fact in the original film they decided not to steal from humans when they live in Thorn Valley, the Stone gets no appearance or reference, Jeremy isn't seen with his girlfriend at all and no explanation why).
