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I am very glad we agree too! But I don't think it's the only only time it's happened lol.

What is Inspire Days?

And...do people really not have a problem with the computer doing the in-betweening? That's still scarily smart and removing an authentic part of authentic hand-animation. Isn't anyone complaining about it, discussing it, even trying to stop it?

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Not to fuel the fire or anything, but I actually did make an animated short using this technique. Basically, I made a model of the character, which I can manipulate into different poses. Using this, I made the key poses. The computer then filled in the blanks, resulting in fluid movement.
This was just an experiment on my part, but I was pretty happy with the result. If I can do this without any training or specific skills, a more accomplished animator should be able to create anything.
The short can be viewed here. The program I used was Anime Studio Pro.

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Considering how in-betweening is supposedly such a tedious job, I doubt it.

As for Inspire Days, I was under the impression that they are special open days for animation students, where they get to see what goes on at the studio.

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Since the computer is able to simulate how an object or character moves between each keyframe, I'm not sure it the audience should be able to notice.
Maybe they could do a little test, where the drawings between the keyframes in just a minute long animated short is first made by hand, and then by a computer, to see if there is any difference.

If there is no difference to be noticed, it's only natural that the studio will choose what is fastest and cheapest. I think it was said that the animators just had to draw every tenth drawing or something on average. But creating CGI characters in a CGI world requires more and effort than just drawing one. If they also do the rough animation first, with rough characters, before the animatiors polish it and add some details, I'm not sure. If it actually is faster than making a hand drawn movie in the more traditional way, then the old style will become even more rare. Since it feels like CGI but looks like its drawn by hand, I suppose it doesn't feel like more traditional animation. Something new has been added, but has something also been lost? It's hard to say before some footage is released.

This technology could perhaps also be of good use if the theatres decides to go for 48 fps. A compuer should be able to double the frame rate between two keyframes.

Wondy is correct - Inspire Days is an event that the studio holds once a year when they invite animation students to come see the studio and have their work reviewed. We get a tour and screenings and keynote type talks, etc. It's been a fantastic event for the past two years.

As for the in-betweening process - I think people don't see it as much of an issue because it is such a tedious thing. Most animators hate doing it, because there is little to no creativity involved, and that's why the job is given to the youngest, most inexperienced animators. It's literally just looking at each line in drawings 1 and 3, and making a line in-between the two. It's very dry work. So, I think if the computer can allow the artists that would be taking time to do that to do more creative aspects, I'm sure most animators like it.

And like I said, they do have to go in and tweak many of the drawings done by the computer to get them exactly how they want them. It's still just a tool.

That seems like a challenge, trying to correct what the computer is unable to do, or does not do as well as the artists. Sounds that what's left of the in-betweening actually do involve some creativity in this new process.

But in-betweening was a way of building people up. And you did have to learn that way. It was a step toward full animator and a right of passage.

I'm guite baffled that no one's considering what the computer doing the in-betweening means for human creativity.

Will a line be drawn? Or will computers someday replace animators after animators just come up with, say, a designed model?

Ethics? Reality and humans before machines? Only humans creating human life, even to the tiniest aspects? Consequences? What anything means? What are those things??? Who cares!

When you start with a computer doing one thing for you...it's a start. Of it doing more later.

Nandor, what a cute cartoon! But I must say...it does look very...computer-done. Not like usual hand-drawn animation. And, sadly I must say, actual hand-drawn animation does look more real and better.


Exactly. Computers replacing people in creativity and jobs.

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Well I certainly see what you're saying and I get what you mean, but at the end of the day... as unfortunate as it may be, that's the world we live in. Computers are a huge part of our lives, and so we need to be aware of the issues you mentioned and put that much more of our own creativity into the things we create using computers.

And I think we're actually going in the right direction in recent years - I mean, picture Luxo Jr. and some of the older Pixar stuff. Most of it feels like a computer made it. It's plainly obvious. But then look at Brave - the fact that it was made on a computer is not nearly as obvious or distracting. Even comparing Chicken Little to Tangled - the former feels so much more "computery". So I think artists are definitely aware of these issues and are working to create ways of making the films feel more organic.

Also, regarding your comment about in-betweening being a stepping stone and right of passage - until only recently in the industry, students didn't learn nearly as much in school as they do now - they did most of their learning on the job (often as an in-bewteener, like you said). But today, students come out of school having made full short films. So it's almost as if the "training" has simply been pushed back into school instead of being learned on the job.

Oh. Well. I hope you're right. But I still se Disney using computers, even for something as small as inbetweening, to be a way of the corporate, marketing, and money loving heads of Disney to cut on creativity, humanity, work, costs, and Disney magic, and that the artists are just choosing not to fight against it. : (

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Well, I'm sure corporate decisions are a big factor, but I don't think the artists are just "not fighting back". I honestly think the artists are doing the best job they possibly can to give the audience the best film they can - artistically, technically, creatively, innovatively, etc... and at the end of the day I think that's what matters.

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Interesting. To me it already looks ready for a feature film but what do I know . From what I've seen of Paperman, this new style already looks amazing and has exceeded my own expectations of what I thought it might look like so I'm intrigued to see how they will improve it and make it look even more brilliant than it already does.

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We're not going to Guam, are we?

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Itt-Xf4Qg&feature=plcp

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Maybe its set in the Philipines man that would be an interesting movie to see.And the Philipines don't get that much attention except for World War movies.That might just give me the idea that maybe its going to be a retro World War 2 movie in shoutout to the fact of Disney's part in war propaganda during World War 2.

Ooh! That kind of reminded me of Rodgers & Hammersteins South Pacific. I did that musical before. That would be awesome.

Source: http://www.blueskydisney.com/2012/07/paperclips.html


Well, here's hoping.

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Is Ron Clements confirmed to be working on this film with him? Or is that just a given?



That would be an interesting setting for the film. The South Pacific alone is very different from the films that John Musker has worked on in the past so it will be very nice to see something original from this film.

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We're not going to Guam, are we?

It's both a given and confirmed. Steve Hulett confirmed that they are both working on the same project multiple times.

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I assumed as much, it's just odd to see one mentioned without the other .

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We're not going to Guam, are we?

I'm just making sure, but will this use the same technique as Paperman?

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