So, Now That You've Seen Brother Bear, What Do You Think????
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So, Now That You've Seen Brother Bear, What Do You Think????
I took my family to see Brother Bear on opening day. My seven year old is already asking for it on DVD. My nine year old said it was okay. My wife and I loved it.
We went to the 5:00 showing. To my suprise our theater had less than 50 people. But then again, it was showing on FIVE screens.
We went to the 5:00 showing. To my suprise our theater had less than 50 people. But then again, it was showing on FIVE screens.
Same thing here. I think I'm too busy thinking of ways to save bandwidth so i'll be iun my lab until Thanksgiving.Luke wrote:Unfortunately, I think it might be a couple of weeks before I get to see it. I will make every effort to see it in theaters, though. Before Thanksgiving, probably. Glad to hear that you, your wife, and 7-year-old enjoyed it.



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Took the family (wife and 3 year-old daughter) to see it this afternoon.
The first 15-20 minutes (pre-transformation) are slow.
The rest of the movie (post-transformation) is fantastic.
I really, really liked this film. The storyline, even though it is completely predictable for the ADULTS in the audience, is excellent. The theatre was 3/4 full where we were and packed with kids. There was very little noise...these kids were into the movie and not talking/goofing off. Our daughter loved every minute of it, too.
There were a couple of off-topic comedic moments in this movie that had me laughing out loud. I gotta say, I've been to comedies that haven't been able to do that. Those that have yet to see it I've got three words for you: Big Horn Sheep
Disney, if we're in the homestretch and this is nearly the end of the road I appreciate and applaud the effort. Brother Bear was an extremely enjoyable experience for myself and my family
The first 15-20 minutes (pre-transformation) are slow.
The rest of the movie (post-transformation) is fantastic.
I really, really liked this film. The storyline, even though it is completely predictable for the ADULTS in the audience, is excellent. The theatre was 3/4 full where we were and packed with kids. There was very little noise...these kids were into the movie and not talking/goofing off. Our daughter loved every minute of it, too.
There were a couple of off-topic comedic moments in this movie that had me laughing out loud. I gotta say, I've been to comedies that haven't been able to do that. Those that have yet to see it I've got three words for you: Big Horn Sheep
Disney, if we're in the homestretch and this is nearly the end of the road I appreciate and applaud the effort. Brother Bear was an extremely enjoyable experience for myself and my family

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I saw the 10am showing (it's the earliest I could find it). The theatre was about half full, all children with parents except for me -- hahah, I didn't care, I'm used to going to Disney movies alone.
I thought the movie was really good as I watched it. The surprising thing is that as the day wears on the movie is having a really deep effect on me. The idea of seeing the world from a completely different angle isn't something I spent much time thinking about in the past, but this movie really shows the importance and depth of that thought. And Koda's "I don't like this story" is haunting.
The switch in aspect ration really makes the beauty of the outdoors apparent. But are the first twenty minutes cropped? At the end, when we see the flashback, the aspect ratio doesn't change.
I thought the movie was really good as I watched it. The surprising thing is that as the day wears on the movie is having a really deep effect on me. The idea of seeing the world from a completely different angle isn't something I spent much time thinking about in the past, but this movie really shows the importance and depth of that thought. And Koda's "I don't like this story" is haunting.
The switch in aspect ration really makes the beauty of the outdoors apparent. But are the first twenty minutes cropped? At the end, when we see the flashback, the aspect ratio doesn't change.
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Havent seen a movie in theatres in well over a year
Got tired of dirty theatres and all the talking.
Did get my self a kickass home theatre though.
Did get my self a kickass home theatre though.
Don't have much time, but here's a review of my trip to see Brother Bear this Saturday.
1:45 PM Showing - 80% full
Trailers:
Looney Tunes Back in Action - No reaction even from the kids. I may go see this.
The Cat in The Hat - Some laughs, I think it looks horrible
Cheaper By The Dozen - No Reaction
The Haunted Mansion - Good reaction, looks pretty cool
Home on the Range - Some laughs, this one looks iffy.
Movie: I've been hoping for over a year that this film would bring back the Disney magic touch to animation. I was one of the few who didn't like Lilo & Stitch. I was very happy with the result in Brother Bear. This was the first time I felt like a little kid again when watching a new animated feature.
The setup with the three brothers, their totems, and the hunting of the bear was VERY good and I thought made an interesting story: more than the usual animation far and IMO more original than Finding Nemo. The film as a whole was very enjoyable, and the only time I started to get a bit bored was halfway through the bears' trek to the mountain (which was a little too similar to other movies I've seen like Ice Age, Shrek, Finding Nemo, etc.)
WORST PART: Kenai saying "We? There is no we!" to Koda. I can't count how many times this has been said in recent animated films and I can't get over it. Shrek, Ice Age, Monsters Inc., Finding Nemo. Why can't they leave that conversation alone?
BEST PART: When the old grandma bear said "This year, I lost my dear husband! He's dead!" and you hear from the woods "I TOLD you, I'm NOT dead!" And she says, "I can still almost hear his voice!" HILARIOUS!
I'd give it 8/10.
Until later, buddies.
1:45 PM Showing - 80% full
Trailers:
Looney Tunes Back in Action - No reaction even from the kids. I may go see this.
The Cat in The Hat - Some laughs, I think it looks horrible
Cheaper By The Dozen - No Reaction
The Haunted Mansion - Good reaction, looks pretty cool
Home on the Range - Some laughs, this one looks iffy.
Movie: I've been hoping for over a year that this film would bring back the Disney magic touch to animation. I was one of the few who didn't like Lilo & Stitch. I was very happy with the result in Brother Bear. This was the first time I felt like a little kid again when watching a new animated feature.
The setup with the three brothers, their totems, and the hunting of the bear was VERY good and I thought made an interesting story: more than the usual animation far and IMO more original than Finding Nemo. The film as a whole was very enjoyable, and the only time I started to get a bit bored was halfway through the bears' trek to the mountain (which was a little too similar to other movies I've seen like Ice Age, Shrek, Finding Nemo, etc.)
WORST PART: Kenai saying "We? There is no we!" to Koda. I can't count how many times this has been said in recent animated films and I can't get over it. Shrek, Ice Age, Monsters Inc., Finding Nemo. Why can't they leave that conversation alone?
BEST PART: When the old grandma bear said "This year, I lost my dear husband! He's dead!" and you hear from the woods "I TOLD you, I'm NOT dead!" And she says, "I can still almost hear his voice!" HILARIOUS!

I'd give it 8/10.
Until later, buddies.

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I had mixed feelings...
as a movie by itself i thought it was wonderful and entertaining. the animation was super.
but as a movie in the 43 classics i am getting kind of tired of the liberal story line "humans = BAD, animals = GOOD, we should never kill animals." I mean that story line is okay every now in then, but it seems present in so many of the classics. also, i miss the characters singing the songs, we got a small taste with koda sining for 40 sec. but i want songs with only characters, no phil collins.
as a movie by itself i thought it was wonderful and entertaining. the animation was super.
but as a movie in the 43 classics i am getting kind of tired of the liberal story line "humans = BAD, animals = GOOD, we should never kill animals." I mean that story line is okay every now in then, but it seems present in so many of the classics. also, i miss the characters singing the songs, we got a small taste with koda sining for 40 sec. but i want songs with only characters, no phil collins.
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Well, it's only 10:50AM on the Left Coast so I'm not sure how those numbers could be in just yet.PatrickvD wrote:ok, Brother Bear took in an estimated $ 18.55 million in its two day weekend. A 3 day weekend might have given it a higher opening. But its still pretty decent for only two days. Here's hope 2d survives...
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You know Basil, one way to save bandwidth would be to not post a one sentence reaction to every single reply in the thread... 
Well, my long and involved theatre experience with Brother Bear was kind of interesting. I went to the nearest theatre at the earliest showing on Saturday - 1:45 pm. When I got there at 1:40, there was a line out the door.
Lotsa families turned up to see the film, nicely enough. But by the time I got to the booth, it was 2:00, so I opted to go to the 2:30 showing instead. To kill the time I grilled a manager about the aspect ratio - asking if they framed it correctly and whatnot. Hey - had to do something to pass the time - even if it appears insanely geeky!
The first couple trailers played okay enough, but then the Home on the Range trailer came on - silent, fuzzy, off-frame, and backwards.
Projectionist puts up slides for a few minutes, but when they got it going, it was already 5 minutes or so into the film.
I know they can't exactly rewind those giant reels of film once they get going, but it was enough to put me off. So I waited another half-hour to go to the 3:15 showing. Glad I did, too - much bigger theatre, my pick of the seats, and - when it started playing - some smooth projection, for once. LOL
This print also had a ton of trailers. They ran the gamut of holiday family films, pretty much - Teacher's Pet, The Cat in the Hat, Cheaper by the Dozen, The Haunted Mansion, Back in Action, and Home on the Range. All that was missing was Elf.
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So after all that, the film finally started. And you know what? Boo. Boo-urns, I say. This truly is a hodge-podge of previous films, Disney or not. It felt like some weird hybrid of Ice Age and The Bear, with elements of Spirit and The Lion King. I mean, watching cute cubby Koda's antics, I couldn't help thinking "Simba". That or "JTT".
And Sitka's eagle looked like he'd just flown out of the Cimarron Valley. 
But anyways - just nitpicky stuff. The film on a whole just didn't grab me. Too much material, too much lame dialogue that just screamed "benign". It was just too sanitized and politically correct, all blunted down and puréed into a bland mash. No doubt there was a lot of moronic executive intrusion and focus-groups a-plenty that went into this film's production. Those moose seem to be evidence of this. Anyone else think several of their sequences seemed "tacked-on"? It seems those two got high marks at early screenings, and we all know what that means. More moose stuff! MORE!! Let's have them doing yoga this time! >_<
And I'm sorry, but the emotional scenes were so schmaltzy, that there seemed to be a marquee proclaiming "CRY NOW!!" scrolling on the bottom of the screen. It got so sappy at points, I was craving pancakes. I mean - "Koda, I've done something very bad..."? C'mon!
The plot's pacing was pretty poor, I'd say. It's a bit too plodding. Several kids that were getting pretty twitchy through the last third or so. So much so that at one point a little girl behind me whined, "I wanna go home!" to her mom with 20 minutes of film left. O_o But then the plodding gave way to an extremely rushed third act. I mean, Koda forgave Kenai's major boo-boo a bit too quickly. It felt unnatural.
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Well, speaking of unnatural, that was another nag I had at the back of my head. Disney seemed pretty hack-happy with the rules of both nature and storytelling. I mean, what did Walt always stress? The plausible impossible. That concept includes making a film's theatrical license consistent. So if you're gonna make a film about sentient, talking animals set at the twilight of the Ice Age, then you gotta sell that concept to your audience lock, stock, and barrel.
So, if this film takes place in the late Pleistocene, what's with the egregious amount of anachronisms? The wildlife and settings were so modern that, even though mammoths are depicted and sabre-tooth cats are referenced, they seem oddly out of place. It would have done the film some good if they had shown other megafauna of that era; how about some American lions? Camels? Dire wolves? Maybe some herds of quagga-like Western horses? Ground sloths, even? They could have at least blown up the bison to a rhino-like size and given them larger horns, to make them more like the species of the time. And, ahem, too bad that grizzlies didn't exist back then - the closest you got was Arctodus simus, or the short-faced bear. They could have plausibly used this species - the scale difference from human to bear would have been great to watch! ^_^ And it might have inspired some viewers to check out prehistoric mammals for themselves. *shrug*
Why is it, also, that all the cute furry critters can talk and are aware of events around them, but the Chum/Pink Salmon are nothing but silent, stupid prey? So much so that the film depicts various fish parts flying around and being played with during the whole Salmon Run sequence, without a care whatsoever. O_o Not saying I'm disturbed - just confused. Are salmon the cows of the bear world, or something? That lack of consistency is annoying.
The film did something similar with the human characters. Very little is known about the Paleo-Indians of that era; the most that's been discovered are their stone tools, really. Yet here we see a thriving and complex culture depicted. The beliefs and traditions have been lifted from modern-day Pacific Northwest culture and applied to these ancient and primitive people, apparently. The people of the Clovis age were mostly known for their skillfully-crafted fluted points, which were used as spearheads. These, at least, are prominently and accurately displayed in the film. I think. *shrug*
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Alright, enough with the mauling. There's a silver lining to everything, right? I did enjoy the transformation sequence - mostly because of the haunting choir music in Inuit lyrics. I liked Kenai's initial cynicism - can you guess why?
And of course, as annoying and ill-fitting as the moose were, they were pretty funny. Especially Rutt. Yay for nerdy Canadians!
As always, the animation was superb. Very painterly, classic look to the backgrounds, and the animals weren't overly caricatured, which I liked. There were several wonderful, Chuck Jones-like expressions throughout; my favorite "mime" moment was when that branch fell on Kenai after he was freed from the snare - hilarious! So long and drawn out - you started to feel winded yourself.
The biggest thing I'm worried about with Brother Bear is the "re-watchability" factor, which is what Nemo thrived on. Will this film get a good response and word of mouth? And subsequent revisits to the theatre over the holidays? Or will it be a "see-once", nothing-special film? 'Cause I sure as hell know I wasn't compelled to come back anytime soon. I bought an extra ticket to support the cause, anyway.
*looks up* Whoa - loooong post. O_O

Well, my long and involved theatre experience with Brother Bear was kind of interesting. I went to the nearest theatre at the earliest showing on Saturday - 1:45 pm. When I got there at 1:40, there was a line out the door.


The first couple trailers played okay enough, but then the Home on the Range trailer came on - silent, fuzzy, off-frame, and backwards.


This print also had a ton of trailers. They ran the gamut of holiday family films, pretty much - Teacher's Pet, The Cat in the Hat, Cheaper by the Dozen, The Haunted Mansion, Back in Action, and Home on the Range. All that was missing was Elf.

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So after all that, the film finally started. And you know what? Boo. Boo-urns, I say. This truly is a hodge-podge of previous films, Disney or not. It felt like some weird hybrid of Ice Age and The Bear, with elements of Spirit and The Lion King. I mean, watching cute cubby Koda's antics, I couldn't help thinking "Simba". That or "JTT".


But anyways - just nitpicky stuff. The film on a whole just didn't grab me. Too much material, too much lame dialogue that just screamed "benign". It was just too sanitized and politically correct, all blunted down and puréed into a bland mash. No doubt there was a lot of moronic executive intrusion and focus-groups a-plenty that went into this film's production. Those moose seem to be evidence of this. Anyone else think several of their sequences seemed "tacked-on"? It seems those two got high marks at early screenings, and we all know what that means. More moose stuff! MORE!! Let's have them doing yoga this time! >_<
And I'm sorry, but the emotional scenes were so schmaltzy, that there seemed to be a marquee proclaiming "CRY NOW!!" scrolling on the bottom of the screen. It got so sappy at points, I was craving pancakes. I mean - "Koda, I've done something very bad..."? C'mon!
The plot's pacing was pretty poor, I'd say. It's a bit too plodding. Several kids that were getting pretty twitchy through the last third or so. So much so that at one point a little girl behind me whined, "I wanna go home!" to her mom with 20 minutes of film left. O_o But then the plodding gave way to an extremely rushed third act. I mean, Koda forgave Kenai's major boo-boo a bit too quickly. It felt unnatural.
--------
Well, speaking of unnatural, that was another nag I had at the back of my head. Disney seemed pretty hack-happy with the rules of both nature and storytelling. I mean, what did Walt always stress? The plausible impossible. That concept includes making a film's theatrical license consistent. So if you're gonna make a film about sentient, talking animals set at the twilight of the Ice Age, then you gotta sell that concept to your audience lock, stock, and barrel.
So, if this film takes place in the late Pleistocene, what's with the egregious amount of anachronisms? The wildlife and settings were so modern that, even though mammoths are depicted and sabre-tooth cats are referenced, they seem oddly out of place. It would have done the film some good if they had shown other megafauna of that era; how about some American lions? Camels? Dire wolves? Maybe some herds of quagga-like Western horses? Ground sloths, even? They could have at least blown up the bison to a rhino-like size and given them larger horns, to make them more like the species of the time. And, ahem, too bad that grizzlies didn't exist back then - the closest you got was Arctodus simus, or the short-faced bear. They could have plausibly used this species - the scale difference from human to bear would have been great to watch! ^_^ And it might have inspired some viewers to check out prehistoric mammals for themselves. *shrug*
Why is it, also, that all the cute furry critters can talk and are aware of events around them, but the Chum/Pink Salmon are nothing but silent, stupid prey? So much so that the film depicts various fish parts flying around and being played with during the whole Salmon Run sequence, without a care whatsoever. O_o Not saying I'm disturbed - just confused. Are salmon the cows of the bear world, or something? That lack of consistency is annoying.
The film did something similar with the human characters. Very little is known about the Paleo-Indians of that era; the most that's been discovered are their stone tools, really. Yet here we see a thriving and complex culture depicted. The beliefs and traditions have been lifted from modern-day Pacific Northwest culture and applied to these ancient and primitive people, apparently. The people of the Clovis age were mostly known for their skillfully-crafted fluted points, which were used as spearheads. These, at least, are prominently and accurately displayed in the film. I think. *shrug*
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Alright, enough with the mauling. There's a silver lining to everything, right? I did enjoy the transformation sequence - mostly because of the haunting choir music in Inuit lyrics. I liked Kenai's initial cynicism - can you guess why?


As always, the animation was superb. Very painterly, classic look to the backgrounds, and the animals weren't overly caricatured, which I liked. There were several wonderful, Chuck Jones-like expressions throughout; my favorite "mime" moment was when that branch fell on Kenai after he was freed from the snare - hilarious! So long and drawn out - you started to feel winded yourself.

The biggest thing I'm worried about with Brother Bear is the "re-watchability" factor, which is what Nemo thrived on. Will this film get a good response and word of mouth? And subsequent revisits to the theatre over the holidays? Or will it be a "see-once", nothing-special film? 'Cause I sure as hell know I wasn't compelled to come back anytime soon. I bought an extra ticket to support the cause, anyway.

*looks up* Whoa - loooong post. O_O
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Two paws up for Brother Bear! Sorry...had to say it
I thought it was great! My mom, dad, and my 15 year old brother enjoyed it thoroughly. I actually saw it twice...once with my family, and once with my girlfriend. I see every animated movie at least twice: the first time is to enjoy the story and movie, and the second time is to break it down and analyize the animation (I'm an animation student so that's why).
I thought the animation was very rich...I swear they couldn't have pulled off the fluid emotions and movements of the bears in CG. There is something about 2-D that CG hasn't been able to accomplish yet. The Arizona Republic bashes Brother Bear in the review, saying it is a cheap looking "Ice Age"! Man that is bull****....these critics no nothing about animation. Brother Bear's animation kicks Ice Age's a$$ anyday.
Anyway, I thought all the characters were interesting and fun - I enjoyed the interaction Kenai has with his brothers and Koda. The Moose are hilarious...they are not obnoxious like how some sidekick comic relief characters can be. Spoiler - I thought the brother hunting brother plot was very well done! I'm a big fan of villains in Disney movies, and I thought the way they handled Denahi was great....especially during the climatic battle.
So it was a lot of fun, and I hope it is successful enough that we get a 2-disc treatment next spring!
Oh, and I thought the trailers were very poor except for Home On The Range. Both my family and my girlfriend are very excited for this movie...they think it looks hilarious!

I thought it was great! My mom, dad, and my 15 year old brother enjoyed it thoroughly. I actually saw it twice...once with my family, and once with my girlfriend. I see every animated movie at least twice: the first time is to enjoy the story and movie, and the second time is to break it down and analyize the animation (I'm an animation student so that's why).
I thought the animation was very rich...I swear they couldn't have pulled off the fluid emotions and movements of the bears in CG. There is something about 2-D that CG hasn't been able to accomplish yet. The Arizona Republic bashes Brother Bear in the review, saying it is a cheap looking "Ice Age"! Man that is bull****....these critics no nothing about animation. Brother Bear's animation kicks Ice Age's a$$ anyday.
Anyway, I thought all the characters were interesting and fun - I enjoyed the interaction Kenai has with his brothers and Koda. The Moose are hilarious...they are not obnoxious like how some sidekick comic relief characters can be. Spoiler - I thought the brother hunting brother plot was very well done! I'm a big fan of villains in Disney movies, and I thought the way they handled Denahi was great....especially during the climatic battle.
So it was a lot of fun, and I hope it is successful enough that we get a 2-disc treatment next spring!
Oh, and I thought the trailers were very poor except for Home On The Range. Both my family and my girlfriend are very excited for this movie...they think it looks hilarious!
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Brother Bear is one of several Disney projects that I've been following for a couple years now, and this one perticularly showed a lot of promise. The early storylines were very intriguing and unusually complex for a Disney feature. Also, I saw this as a project where Disney could redeem themselves for the simmilarly-themed Emporer's New Groove, which, while an okay movie, was WAY too cartoony and lacking any kind of dramatic or emotional power. It contended itself with being a silly, overblown Cartoon Network movie, which worked, but was extremely disappointing. Add to that my recent <a href=http://www.ultimatedisney.com/inkandpaint>Ink & Paint Campign</a> with Terry, and, suffice to say, I was anticipating this film at an event level most people usually only have for huge studio blockbusters like Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Matrix, Spider-Man, X-Men, Harry Potter, and Pirates of the Carribbean.
I went into it with enormously high expectations and -- I know you're ready for thw part where I say I was disappointed, right? -- boy, it delivered more than I ever thought it could. It's a truly amazing film, the best of the year so far. The subject matter was serious and was treated as such with a dramatic, intense, character-driven plot. With the fast pace of the film and not many "roadblocks" on the way to the salmon run, the characters had to carry the film, and they did it, especially the relashionship between Keani and Koda. Keani, going from hating, to reluctantly accepting, to liking, to loving Koda brotherly, to realizing what he did to him. I mean, just watch the realization dawning on Keani when Koda tells all of the bears the story of his seperation from his mother, and listen to Koda's "I don't like this story." That kind of character devolepment and character relashionship is very rare in animation and it was used amazingly here.
Got to go. More later.
Brother Bear is one of several Disney projects that I've been following for a couple years now, and this one perticularly showed a lot of promise. The early storylines were very intriguing and unusually complex for a Disney feature. Also, I saw this as a project where Disney could redeem themselves for the simmilarly-themed Emporer's New Groove, which, while an okay movie, was WAY too cartoony and lacking any kind of dramatic or emotional power. It contended itself with being a silly, overblown Cartoon Network movie, which worked, but was extremely disappointing. Add to that my recent <a href=http://www.ultimatedisney.com/inkandpaint>Ink & Paint Campign</a> with Terry, and, suffice to say, I was anticipating this film at an event level most people usually only have for huge studio blockbusters like Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Matrix, Spider-Man, X-Men, Harry Potter, and Pirates of the Carribbean.
I went into it with enormously high expectations and -- I know you're ready for thw part where I say I was disappointed, right? -- boy, it delivered more than I ever thought it could. It's a truly amazing film, the best of the year so far. The subject matter was serious and was treated as such with a dramatic, intense, character-driven plot. With the fast pace of the film and not many "roadblocks" on the way to the salmon run, the characters had to carry the film, and they did it, especially the relashionship between Keani and Koda. Keani, going from hating, to reluctantly accepting, to liking, to loving Koda brotherly, to realizing what he did to him. I mean, just watch the realization dawning on Keani when Koda tells all of the bears the story of his seperation from his mother, and listen to Koda's "I don't like this story." That kind of character devolepment and character relashionship is very rare in animation and it was used amazingly here.
Got to go. More later.
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