I don't think she's really that oblivious of a person as much as she is kind and naive, especially because of her sheltered upbringing and young age. She's a bit too compassionate to be stuck in her own little world, just taking selfies. For example, the kindness she shows to the lost bluebird before the Huntsman attacks her. Or when she arrives at the cottage and thinks that there are orphaned children living there. She immediately decides that it's her duty to take care of them. Even with the witch's fearsome appearance, Snow White is able to push aside her own fears and let the witch inside the cottage, which shows that she doesn't judge by appearances, even if she was unable to recognize the witch's inner wickedness.Khonnor wrote: I admit, let me change my opinion a bit. I didn't mean a spoiled brat necessarily, but I just imagine if she was a current girl, she would be oblivious to the world around her and taking selfies while doing a duckface. That kinda person.
Snow White however wasn't the first animated feature ever, as a lot of seem to mistakenly believe. It's the first one made completely by hand-drawn animation. There are at least 7 known animated features before Snow White, of which unfortunately half or so haven't survived. These were full length animated movies (often with sound and or color), but also incorporated shadow techniques, cutouts, and or stop motion.
Exactly, my main issue being Mushu. Yao I don't mind actually. I recently re-watched this movie (obviously, as it's the whole point I made this thread) and think the gender-issues are actually still pretty on point and accurate. Maybe it's because I'm in a different part of the world, but here in The Netherlands there's a lot of gender discussions going on, mostly to do with transgender people.
I do feel that between 2000 and 2008 Disney seemed all over the place. The movies differ very much from one another and not all feel Disney-esque to me. For example, I think Dinosaur and Bolt seem more like they would belong with Pixar. But still, it is what it is.
I must say I don't watch a whole lot of animated movies, so I don't think I know any of the WB movies. I do know I enjoy TENG and it does feel Disney to me. It's not a lot different from Tarzan or such, feel wise.
You're right that there were several fully animated features before Snow White, but Snow White is basically the only surviving one left and its the most iconic, so it gets the title and prestige. The Adventures of Prince Achmed would count though since I think that really is the oldest surviving animated feature now.
Yao, Ling, and Chien Po all stick out to me but I suppose it was necessary for Mulan to build bonds with people outside of Shang. The actual gender theme has aged well, but some of the gender jokes and humor haven't imo. A lot of the ones that stereotype the men as gross and unhygienic feel very 90s for example. I live in the U.S. so I'm sure that talks about gender and transgender people are far more progressive in the Netherlands than here, but the song Reflection has caught on with the trans community.
It's funny that you compare Tarzan and TENG, because these two films were the first two Disney films I remember seeing in theaters. I really loved Tarzan and it felt like all the classic Disney films before it, but TENG always felt really weird for me. It didn't seem like a Disney movie at all and I remember being disappointed with it. The humor is very zany compared to previous films and it reminds me of the old Looney Toons cartoons. I prefer Disney's dramas over comedies more, so I might be a bit biased towards TENG here, especially since I feel even Hercules doesn't have the Disney feel a lot of times. That's another one which goes overboard with the humor imo and it's not nearly as well-integrated throughout the film like in TENG which at least never tries to rise above to a serious, dramatic film and keeps to one standard. Which is probably also why TENG is a lot more successful as a film and has a larger fanbase.
I agree. This film (and The Wild for the UK) were only added to make Tangled the 50th feature.farerb wrote:Regarding Dinosaur, I personally don't count as a canon film since it was made by The Secret Lab rather than WDFA and it is not a fully animated film, it is a hybrid film. If Mary Poppins or Who Framed Roger Rabbit don't count, this shouldn't as well. Honestly in my opinion they only inserted it to market Tangled as the 50th feature. Regarding the film itself I don't hate it but it's not a favorite of mine.
