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I didn't like the name Emma for Snow White's daughter. I could of been something a bit more regal/fairytale like.

Yea, I thought that too, but I'm not bothered by it and am wondering if the name has some meaning/some fit to it that is unknown or just goes better with her actual character that we do know.

Anyway, please excuse my ego in saying I tolda ya all!!!! I pieced together and predicted Snow White shared a secret about the Queen's lover when she was supposed to be with the king, and that got him killed, and that's why she wanted revenge on Snow White. It was alluded to in the second episode! But I was wrong that the king had him killed, it was her mother!

Anyway, turns out the people predicting the Mills part of Regina's last name made her the miller's daughter in the Rumplestiltskin story were half-right, too. That certainly is an interesting twist for how much Regina's mother would do for her child if it's the one she almost lost to Rumplestiltskin[/i].

And Regina's mother, I couldn't believe it, was non other than the mother from Black Swan! Wow! That was a great surprise! She was good, but the girl who played little Snow White was really good! She even looked and acted a lot like the actress who plays adult Snow White! I wonder if the girl watched her to play her like that.

I hope that tsom is kidding when he says she had a big mouth! I thought a big mouth was only reasonable to call someone when they tell your secrets willy nilly. But Snow White was not only a child but also someone who felt she had a very good and emotional reason for telling the secret.

Though how the Queen handled it, well it still makes her pretty evil. Snow White explained why she told the secret. Giving her a backstory to make her look like she has a reason for evil almost backfires in that it makes her look more evil for not forgiving a little girl. If Snow White had told her father because she wanted her father to know her knew stepmother didn't really love him, that would be understandable for both her and Regina. Or if she didn't get to explain why she told the secret. I dunno. I will have to believe that loss of a loved one can turn you...evil? Well, I suppose in certain people, at least murderous. But she doesn't even seem to understand why Snow White did it. Snow White is sorry, and even someone who lost a loved one could see that. I just don't know.

Anyway, yes the wedding dress was gorgeous, and I loved how Emma discovered the bug and Sydney's true motive all on her own like that.

Tae, I am okay thinking that scene could be better, I am okay with it being made better. I am just saying maybe it wasn't as big a let down if you had not thought what you did before you saw it. And when we see his scar, it actually slipped by me that that was in any way important. Emma and Mary Margaret don't seem to be particularly shocked by it, and they don't talk about it afterward. I don't think it is what makes Mary Margaret remember her fighting skills. We don't see her reaction to the scar at all. The only thing I didn't notice that I think you may be right about is that his hat finally worked. I didn't think of that possibility. And maybe it made Emma think to look in the book, but there's no proof of that, and more proof that it was only seeing his daughter at Henry's school that made her look in the book.

And hey! That fairy godmother thing is to make Cinderella - the actual Cinderella! What you're talking about is how to make something just look better/more dramatic! I am not saying yours is wrong or insignifigant, just that it's a different thing!

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I think Emma looks pretty shocked here! It's very subtle, but directly after Emma sees the scar and wears this expression, Mary Margaret kicks (or uses a stick to punch him, I don't remember) Jefferson out the window and the hat works. I'm not saying Mary saw the scar, just that Emma did and, for just a second, she believed and that caused both Mary and Jefferson's hat to kick into gear. Mary Margaret didn't see the scar, so there was no reason for Emma to bring it up.
But the question is, why did seeing Paige make Emma want to read Henry's book? She'd seen Paige before, through the telescope, right before she smacked Jefferson with it and cursed at him about being insane. Something had to click in her mind between her knocking out Jefferson and seeing Paige, and that was seeing the scar.

Also, I love Alice in Wonderland almost as much as you love Cinderella, and to me, the portrayal of Wonderland is just as important as the portrayal of Cinderella to you. So I think it's a fair comparison :) I hope I don't come across as meaning to offend you; these are just my opinions, of course.


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I am so bummed that we have to wait until April 28th for a new episode of "Once Upon A Time".

Looks like between now and then the only good Sunday evening show I will watch is "Army Wives", which is in its sixth season, and has been renewed for a Seventh, already. Kim Delany and Catherine Bell are amazing in this show and I am glad that I have become a big fan of it.

"Once Upon A Time" surprised me as to how good it could be and will be. We already know that a Second Season is coming, so I am anxious to see what the cliffhanger will be this season.

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No, I enjoy this discussing with you Tae. But I don't want you to think something about the show that isn't true. You could be right, but let's discuss it more.

I suggest you watch the episode again, because it's online at the official site. Googling "Once Upon a Time" and "watch episodes" together should help you find it quickly. When Emma first sees the scar, pulling on his shirt, she just looks at it like "What?" and to me she looks more disgusted and confused than realizing anything. The shocked look that you posted a picture of, I'd say that shocked look just comes from a gun being pointed at her.

As for seeing Paige, if you watch the episode again, when she sees Paige at Henry's school, she stares at her, kind of shocked looking, and there's that music that tells you she's feeling a special moment. It seems that seeing Paige closer in person just made her think to give the book a chance, since Paige went by her and the book was right there, the two things were there in front of her, so she might have thought "Why not". After all, she didn't go to Henry trying to get his book after what happened with the scar, she only thought of reading the book when Paige went by. That music and that shocked look didn't come when she saw the scar. The shocked look that you think was at his scar was, again, only after the gun was pointed at her.

Now maybe I'm wrong, but since you love Alice in Wonderland, I hope you aren't deluding yourself with a very hopeful imagination. And I am not talking down to you, your theories are great, and could even be right, the evidence just says very clearly to me that unfortunately this time, you aren't right about all of it.

As for what I was saying about Cinderella, what I meant was that Cinderella's story still needs to be Cinderella's story, but what you're talking about is making the Alice story look better/have a better dramatic scene. How do you not understand the difference? Maybe if I said, what would really be me saying the same thing as you would be me saying the Fairy Godmother didn't come in in a dramatic and serious enough way. You get me now?

I think you have good theories and I think the beheading could be better, I agree it and the CGI could have been better, and I think maybe the hat did work, but that's about it. I hope you're not offended at all by anything I've said.

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@Disney Duster: Unfortunately, I do not live in the US and therefor all free, legal ways of watching the show online are not available to me. Fortunately, I have bought the first season on iTunes and I have seen all of the Storybrooke scenes in Hat Trick several times :)
I definitely see your point; however, I don't think she was really looking at the scar when she was trying to push him off of her. It's like, to use a tame example, when someone says something on a forum, you get very angry about it, and your goal is to reply and say something in return. Your not thinking about what the person might have really meant, or their reason for saying it, just that their words made you angry and you want to say something back. Emma saw the scar, but she didn't really think about it or compare it to what Jefferson had been telling her because her goal was to get him off of her before she or Mary Margaret got hurt.
As for whether her expression was because of the scar or the gun, I think it was both (should have clarified that earlier, sorry). She didn't say anything, so I don't think you can say without a doubt whether it was specifically because of the gun or not.

I still think something clicked between when Emma hit Jefferson with the telescope and when she saw Paige. Maybe it wasn't the scar, but his disappearing without a trace like he did, I don't know, but if she still thought Jefferson was completely insane, why would seeing Paige make her do something Henry has been trying to make her do for months?

Well, technically, I could say the same thing with you and Cinderella? I do understand your wanting them to deal with the fairy godmother differently then they did, but for me, it's not that big a deal. Depending on how you feel about the stories they're using, the portrayals of various characters are going to be different to everybody. Cinderella was never my favorite movie, while Alice in Wonderland is my favorite book. So while the way they handled the fairy godmother bothered you, it didn't bother me as much, while the beheading scene bothered me but didn't bother you as much. Does that make sense? However, I can see how my comparison wasn't very fair, and I apologize for that.

In any case, Sebastian Stan is set to appear in two more episodes this season, so hopefully some things we've disagreed on will be clarified then.


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Aw, sorry you can't watch the eps for free! And I wasn't saying she still thought he was insane, I was saying that she wasn't sure what to think of him, but seeing Paige in front of her, with the book being there, made her re-think.

I'm glad you seem to see the difference between what I was saying about the godmother and what you were saying about the beheading, but yes, we both care about them with a similar passion for them both to be handled differently and better. That's just where the similarities end.

I do hope this does all get clarified in future episodes, like you do!

Hey I also wanted to add I think Regina's father did not do nearly enough for his own daughter! He tried to get her mother to stop abusing her but didn't run to her after or do much more than ask her to stop. I know he'd be scared of her magic, too, but...I felt he just stood there. He reminds me of Cinderella's father ruled by his wife in the original tales.

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Well, it's okay. I like being able to watch them anywhere on my iPod, and I'll be getting the DVD's whenever they come out.
That's a good way of putting it; that's actually what I think, as well.

Yes, that's exactly how I was thinking of it. Glad to see we both understand what the other meant :3


I was very annoyed with Regina's father in this episode! Even if he was afraid of Cora's magic, he could have at least been there for Regina when Cora wasn't around.
I also don't think Regina should have placed blame on Snow, but I can understand why losing Daniel made her snap. He was the only one who wasn't too afraid of Cora to be there for Regina when she needed him.


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Snow White has a BIG mouth! No wonder the queen hates her. I would too. At that age, I knew what a secret was & when to keep my mouth shut.


Yes, but it was made clear that Snow's intentions were good and that she was clearly manipulated by Regina's mother.

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Also, I’m guessing the Queen’s mother is the miller’s daughter from the Rumpelstiltskin tale? Does that mean the Queen is the baby that was promised to him (as the tale goes)?


I hope they'll do the "Miller's Daughter/Rumpelstiltskin" tale soon. Wouldn't it be interesting if Regina wasn't her mother's first born, that she did have to give up her first child to Rumpelstiltskin after all and that Regina has a sibling she never knew about?

I would make sense since Regina's mother said: " I didn't make the sacrifices I did in life..." and "after what I had to do, the deals I had to make to get us this life..."

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That would be a good idea for the Season ending 'Cliff-hangar'. Would allow a more in-depth character study of Regina and fill in more of the gaps in her back story. I would love to see this.

For a show that started off a little shaky, I am loving this show more and more each week. I can't wait to get the First Season on DVD or Blu-ray, so I can rewatch it without the stupid commercials.

"Once Upon A Time" is now one of my favorite television shows, it is one step behind "Army Wives", which is in its sixth season.

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Glad someone agrees with me on Regina's father! And to think she loves him so much!

dvdjunkie, how's Grimm? What fairy tales have they covered on that show? I know they did Red Ridinghood, Goldilocks and the Three Bears, The Three Little Pigs, and Rapunzel?

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They also did "Jack In The Beanstalk", and that was a real fun-fest for all. I watch this show On Demand because I really hate commercials, so I can see it virtually commercial free.

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Um, I was serious. Snow White had a big mouth. At 12, she should've known better. And I really don't care if she was manipulated. She was told two things: 1. To keep this secret no matter what. 2. Cora was dangerous.


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Well...okay, but it still doesn't it make it anymore reasonable how Regina feels and what she does.

Oh, I looked up what the name Emma means. One possible thing it can stand for "universal' which I think could be meant to reference how Emma can cross both worlds. Also, it was a royal English name, DisneyDude, even though it didn't sound very regal to either of us!

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The Queen's background story wasn't supposed to makes us love her all the sudden. It gives us a story about why she hates Snow, but I don't think we're supposed to feel sorry for Regina or find her reaction to Snow's blabber mouth reasonable.

I mean sure, we can feel bad that Regina's lover died. Regina, as an adult, still should have been able to connect the dots and see that her mother tricked Snow into telling her. Why then blame Snow for her mother killing her boyfriend? As a whole I didn't like this past episode because it didn't make a good enough case for Regina hating Snow so much.

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I think there's more to it, but this was just the beginning. Apparently, the actress who plays Cora is signed on for more episodes.


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During the last episode i was hoping that regina's mom would of turned regina and her secret love into horses. and disguise as her daughter regina. it would of kinda made scene since she sacrifices her prize horse(regina turned into a horse) in the early episodes and her one love being her father ( but actually her husband). but anywhoo..
We still need an epidsode on how Regina gets her magic, since she didnt have any when she married the king.


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The Queen's background story wasn't supposed to makes us love her all the sudden. It gives us a story about why she hates Snow, but I don't think we're supposed to feel sorry for Regina or find her reaction to Snow's blabber mouth reasonable.

I mean sure, we can feel bad that Regina's lover died. Regina, as an adult, still should have been able to connect the dots and see that her mother tricked Snow into telling her. Why then blame Snow for her mother killing her boyfriend? As a whole I didn't like this past episode because it didn't make a good enough case for Regina hating Snow so much.

Your second paragraph sounds hypocritial of your first! Your second paragraph is exactly what I'm saying - If this show is about "evil isn't born, it's made" as Regina herself says, then her backstory needs to make sense as to why she turned so evil. Sure, she's still evil because no good person would kill someone for accidentally getting your lover killed, but it doesn't mean she can't have a good case, which it really looked like they were trying to give her. But it also looked like her emotions are what took over her, too, and that is the same thing I have to convince myself is strong enough in order to accept any of the constant, constant unreasonable actions the writers make the characters do, that this is yet another case of.

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During the last episode i was hoping that regina's mom would of turned regina and her secret love into horses. and disguise as her daughter regina. it would of kinda made scene since she sacrifices her prize horse(regina turned into a horse) in the early episodes and her one love being her father ( but actually her husband). but anywhoo..
We still need an epidsode on how Regina gets her magic, since she didnt have any when she married the king.

That...is even more psychologically messed up than what they gave us! Dang! I'm glad it wasn't that but...that is some mind there!

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The Queen's background story wasn't supposed to makes us love her all the sudden. It gives us a story about why she hates Snow, but I don't think we're supposed to feel sorry for Regina or find her reaction to Snow's blabber mouth reasonable.

I mean sure, we can feel bad that Regina's lover died. Regina, as an adult, still should have been able to connect the dots and see that her mother tricked Snow into telling her. Why then blame Snow for her mother killing her boyfriend? As a whole I didn't like this past episode because it didn't make a good enough case for Regina hating Snow so much.

Your second paragraph sounds hypocritial of your first! Your second paragraph is exactly what I'm saying - If this show is about "evil isn't born, it's made" as Regina herself says, then her backstory needs to make sense as to why she turned so evil. Sure, she's still evil because no good person would kill someone for accidentally getting your lover killed, but it doesn't mean she can't have a good case, which it really looked like they were trying to give her. But it also looked like her emotions are what took over her, too, and that is the same thing I have to convince myself is strong enough in order to accept any of the constant, constant unreasonable actions the writers make the characters do, that this is yet another case of.


Now that I re-read that, I wasn't clear enough.

My first paragraph was me trying to explain what I thought the purpose of this past episode was. My Second paragraph is my reaction to the episode. I wasn't trying to contradict myself. :P

I think the episode was trying to give us a reason behind Regina's anger, but instead it gave me the impression that she's an irrational moron that forgot how manipulative her own mother is. This episode, IMO, failed in storytelling.

Unless they don't want us to feel for Regina at all, and contradict their whole "evil isn't born, it's made" concept.

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I think the point they were making is Regina needed to blame someone, and a trusting, defenseless little girl would be a better bet then a powerful, abusive woman who can rip out hearts and squeeze them into dust. It's not that Regina doesn't blame Cora, just that she doesn't risk being wounded or killed by taking out her anger on Snow.


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Well I felt quite bad for her anyway. I just don't think its bad enough for how she thinks about Snow White.

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I think the point they were making is Regina needed to blame someone, and a trusting, defenseless little girl would be a better bet then a powerful, abusive woman who can rip out hearts and squeeze them into dust. It's not that Regina doesn't blame Cora, just that she doesn't risk being wounded or killed by taking out her anger on Snow.

I...don't think she would go after a little girl just because she can't go after her mother...and if that was what she was doing, I still wouldn't find it reasonable!

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