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The fact is that, for now, all we know of Rumple's wife is that she may have left him because he was a coward, and it was clear that the son didn't approve of what he was hearing about his father. Anyway, I think they did a fine job showing that he hated himself, or at least how others saw him. And, yeah, maybe he did love himself when he had power, though I don't think so. He loved the power and how people treated him with it.



In this case, it seemed painfully clear that he didn't really love his wife, so he really needed to end it whether he was seeing someone else or not, but especially since he was interested in someone else.



Yep.



Um, I think the fact that he didn't want to hurt her all this time showed that he did care about her. He just wasn't in love with her anymore. But, really, I think waiting all this time made things worse for everyone (especially Mary Margaret).



I think her flashback was mostly to give David more street cred, showing that he cared about others and all, being selfless and everything. Plus, it invented a new little extension on the Midas tale. I don't know if it was to make us flat out like her, but maybe that too. Or, at least to humanize her (when she was first introduced, I thought she might be some sort of false entity created by a spell). I guess I need to rewatch the episode, even if I am not into all the drama of the David/Mary Margaret sitch anymore.

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So cool! I was just wondering about if and how they would include Alice in Wonderland characters (not to mention Peter Pan ones)! Glad they're not just making Rumple the Hatter, though I bet he'd be good. But, I was thinking maybe Wonderland could be what becomes of the Fairytale world after the curse. I mean, not EVERYONE from the fairytale world could be living in a small town in our world. So, maybe the ones who weren't part of the curse went mad. Then, one day, a girl from our world crossed into theirs, Alice. And, if this involves Victorian flashbacks, than Peter Pan might not be far behind.

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I still think that's all they really showed. :/


Yea.


I meant that we didn't know why he was sticking with her for so long, until we saw that it was because he didn't want to hurt her. It would have been better if they showed or suggested that earlier so we weren't thinking it was dumb that he didn't break up with her and just lazy writing in the episodes prior. Showing slightly more (evidence of) care for her might have made that work.


Really? The first time we see her, in the carriage that gets robbed by Snow White? You thought that? A spell by who? For what? That's interesting.

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I meant they showed that he hated how others saw him, and this usually makes a person hate himself. I really don't think they need to spell it all out for us. That's like a movie I saw recently where they made a joke that was kinda funny, until they felt they had to explain the reference it was making. Spelling things out too much can kinda make it seem like it's for little kids.




I meant the first time we saw her in our world. Didn't we see her in our world first? I'm not sure, but I thought we did. I thought she might be a spell concocted by the mayor. Or at least just someone she blackmailed into pretending to be David's wife when he woke up.

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So, I just watched the Belle episode again, and did anyone notice how the nurse in the insane asylum looked like the Queen of Hearts with her hairstyle and when Regina gave her the red rose (which the Queen loves). And it's an asylum, after all. I wonder if all the MAD people from Wonderland are in there? I bet when they get into that stuff, it has a lot to do with the Asylum. I just hope Belle isn't also Alice, ha.

Oh, and my sister suggested that maybe Belle was in the asylum because she remembered everything from the fairytale dimension. Seems likely.

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Just watched the last ep and yeah...I gotta agree most of the motivations by these characters don't make any sense and are lacking believability most of the time. My dad makes me watch this show with him and he's always confused about stuff despite having watch the episodes prior and it drives me crazy.

You know I could easily take that the wrong way? I'm not talking about spelling it out, I'm saying that I perfectly understood that he supposedly hated himself in that Belle episode, and I'm saying they didn't build that up very well prior. If you really think you disagree, that you knew he hated himself so much before this Belle episode, then okay.


That's reasonable. I thought that too, but after the episode, I remembered that she was the woman we saw in the coach with him, and we see that part before she enters at the end as Katherine/John Doe's wife. And it turns out we were kinda right, because Regina's spell did make her think she was his loving wife, when she never loved him.

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In my opinion, I think the fact that Desperate Souls came before Skin Deep was decent build-up by itself. A lot better then the build-up for, say, Graham, who we barely saw up until he died.

It is better build-up than Graham got, but what I mean is, did you know or get a good sense that Rumplestiltskin hated himself and didn't think anyone could love him before you saw Skin Deep?

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I would say, yes. In the episode where we find out how he got his powers, he hates himself for being a coward--his cowardice being the main reason his wife left him, so he says. Also, I’m not sure how that episode ended, but wasn’t it implied he killed his son along with the guards and several other villagers? I’m guessing he has a lot of reasons for hating himself.

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If you really say you thought he hated himself before you saw Skin Deep, I'll have to take your word for it.

But I don't think he killed his son. That doesn't even make sense for him to hate himself over that and want to keep his powers if his powers are what made him do that in the first place.

By the way, I think last "Once Upon A Time" was the worst one so far. I didn't like Nova as a fairy or a nun, and that tutu skirt with strips hanging down is just ridiculous. Either make a lot of strips and make the strips form a full skirt (On the Blue Fairy I thought the tutu was just a farthingale) or just make a dang full skirt. The tops of the fairy costumes we've seen are pretty nice though.

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Really? I loved that episode! So did my sister, who I think sometimes finds it corny. The only thing neither of us liked was the dwarfs being born from eggs, which was just goofy.

And the dwarfs were actually whistling Heigh Ho! They're going hardcore with the Disney stuff now, actually using songs from the Disney movies! Anyway, I LOVED Nova (sooo gorgeous, especially in that outfit), and Grumpy was great too. I liked Mary Margaret's part in this too. Loved the whole episode, though of course it didn't have the power of a Rumple-heavy episode. If I was to complain about anything besides the egg stuff, it is that they are being a little repetitive with the forbidden love theme and couples dramatically breaking up. Cool seeing Belle converse with Grumpy though!

I haven't seen the Red Riding Hood one yet (that was last night's, right?). I'm psyched for it!

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I absolutely loved Red Handed I won't say anymore about it, in case anyone here hasn't seen it yet (and if you haven't, I advise you do not read spoilers about it, as it's the very best if you don't know what happens).

I'm also really exited for the next episode.

I guessed the twist about the wolf about 20 minutes into the show, but I still enjoyed it. I love the girl they cast to be Ruby.

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Since most of you relish relating to Disney characters in this show, why would 'Ruby' be Little Red Riding Hood? That definitely is not a Disney character, and after watching the whole episode last night I think that it more closely relates to "Peter and the Wolf" and NOT Red Riding Hood.

I love the actors and the characters they are playing. Let's hope this gets straightened out sooner than later, because there are only four or five more episodes left for this season.

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cause Ruby lived with granny and wore a red cape and hood.

last night explained ruby's wolf charm she had in her car in 'Price of Gold'

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Last night's episode just left me so confused to be honest!

The only time Disney did Little Red was in a Silly Symphony, unless I'm forgetting something, and I doubt the creators of the show are looking to the Silly Symphonies at all. They seem to be treated as sort of their own thing. After all, Disney has a feature film Chicken Little and a Silly Symphony Chicken Little. Red hasn't been done as a feature by Disney yet, unfortunately. As for the Silly Symphony Red, I believe they just called her Little Red Riding Hood, though I haven't watched it recently. Of course, you have to include the Red character in a show like this. She's very popular among fairytales, amazingly, considering there's no Disney feature for her, and calling her "Ruby" is just an easy name to come up with (one could say one of the lazier ones, ha; of course, I have heard of drops of blood being related to rubies falling...).

I thought of Peter and the Wolf too. Peter seems to be a popular name in Red Riding Hood stories, I guess because of "Peter and the Wolf". I think the guy in the Amanda Seyfried Red Riding Hood was a Peter, wasn't he? I could be wrong about that. Anyways, I wondered if he was supposed to be Peter and the Wolf in this, and I guess you could say he was since they do take liberties with the stories.

Anyway, I watched this one this morning. Most people know I'm a huge Red Riding Hood/werewolf lover. I really loved this one, and I like the actress playing Red a bit better now, though I side in with those who posted in the past saying Red Riding Hood should be a younger looking character. This actress, particularly when they have her in her "trampy waitress" mode, tends to look pretty old sometimes. I laughed when Granny said she looked like a drag queen, because I've said that myself before. It was refreshing to see her with a classier look in this latest episode, both in the past and in the end of the modern day stuff. She looked so much better. Not saying the idea of making a slutty Red Riding Hood character isn't humorous and clever, but it wasn't a flattering style for this actress. Anyway, like I said, after the latest episode, I like her much better, and the way they changed the story worked with the fact that she is an older take on the character.

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Seven, actually. This was episode 15 and there are 22 episodes this season.

@slave2moonlight: Agreed on Ruby looking better towards the end of the episode. I think she looks much nicer in less makeup and less slutty clothing
I would prefer if she had been younger, but I'm willing to forgive it for more Snow/Red or MM/Ruby scenes, I really like the idea of their being friends.