I think we agreed to disagree there. My definition of gender differs from yours, so our definition of women differs. Okay, but thats not what I'm talking about. I am talking about the things I quoted. You saying they are easy to spot. That is false. Sometimes they are easy to spot, sometimes its impossible. Sotiris provided an example for you. But you still ignore it by saying you'd be able to tell in real life. Which you wouldn't because I don't think you have magic powers that can see into a persons past.Goliath wrote: And exactly... how... have I done that by saying I don't agree with you that a man who calls himself a woman is not a woman until he becomes a woman? Disagreeing is no discrimination.
Nope, you wouldn't be discriminating. You can tell if a red haired woman has red hair; because she has red hair! Tell me how you can tell a how a woman is trans? There are absolutely no definiate markers for this. Extremely masculine or very tall woman are your only clue, but not nearly all transwoman are like this, which you seem to think. And because you have this mindset that all transwoman are tall and ugly and noticeable, you think all are unattractive to men, and all are easily spotted. But not all are like this. But since you are lumping them all together, you are being discriminatory.Goliath wrote:No, it's not. I'm not saying they are lesser persons or that I think less of them because of who they are. I'm not putting them down. I just gave my opinon on what I don't consider attractive. If I were to say I don't find people with red hair attractive, am I discriminating against people with red hair? I'm just stating a preference, like lots of people do! It's only because this time it's about transgendered people that you make a fake outrage about it. And saying someone is easy to spot or not isn't discrimination. A black guy is easy to spot, too, when he's all surrounded by white men. Pointing that out doesn't mean somebody is discriminating against black people.
Right, but no. One may not be attracted to black woman because they do not like something physical about them. But transwoman don't always have physical or emotional markers, and it is impossible to spot them. I will repeat: Some are beautiful. Some are not. Some are average. Some are more manly because of unfortunate circumstances, but by no means are all of them like that. Which you seem to think, possibly because all you know about transwomen is from the mainstream media? Kids that started puberty blockers before puberty and then cross hormone therapy later on show exactly NO difference between others their age. I know this from experience with them (I mostly consult with trans youth). And all of them would be able to "trick" you, as you wouldn't be able to "spot" them in a crowd. Because, again, they are no different.Goliath wrote:I already explained this above: stating preferences does not equal discrimination. Some people don't think black women are attractive; they prefer white women. Doesn't make them racist.
No. Not all transwoman are like that. You seen to share that mainstream media view that transwoman are huge, burly "woman" with stubble and deep voices. It's just so laughable. Some who transitioned earlier are naturally short. Any trans youth girls that transitioned before or during puberty are a normal height for girls because estrogen regulates and then stops growth when in a high enough adult dosage.Goliath wrote:Again, your fake outrage is getting the best of you. A guy who's 2 metres long stands out from a group of liliputters as well. Doesn't mean I'm discriminating against tall people when I point that out.
I don't feel that you explained how saying that men aren't attracted to people that look, act, and are the same as any other woman is not discrimination. Saying that you can point transwomen out in a crowd is still discrimination, and untrue. You mean a certain type of transwomen with certain qualities, and for some reason, you think this means all of them.Goliath wrote:Awaiting my apology...
I am sorry if it made you feel bad, but I really think you were being discriminatory, so I think I had a right to point it out.Goliath wrote:Well, accusing me of discriminating people feels a little demeaning to me.
EDIT for your response to Sotiris:
Because you don't like red haired woman because you aren't attracted to the physical attribute of red hair. Transwoman do not have defining attributes like that, except in very extreme cases. So saying you aren't attracted to all transwomen means you aren't attracted to them solely because they belong to a certain group. Thats discrimination against transwomen. I know I am repeating myself, but you continue to think that they do, which is just plain false.Goliath wrote:How is saying I don't like all redheaded women is different from saying I don't like all transgendered women