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And exactly... how... have I done that by saying I don't agree with you that a man who calls himself a woman is not a woman until he becomes a woman? Disagreeing is no discrimination.

No, it's not. I'm not saying they are lesser persons or that I think less of them because of who they are. I'm not putting them down. I just gave my opinon on what I don't consider attractive. If I were to say I don't find people with red hair attractive, am I discriminating against people with red hair? I'm just stating a preference, like lots of people do! It's only because this time it's about transgendered people that you make a fake outrage about it. And saying someone is easy to spot or not isn't discrimination. A black guy is easy to spot, too, when he's all surrounded by white men. Pointing that out doesn't mean somebody is discriminating against black people.

I already explained this above: stating preferences does not equal discrimination. Some people don't think black women are attractive; they prefer white women. Doesn't make them racist.

Again, your fake outrage is getting the best of you. A guy who's 2 metres long stands out from a group of liliputters as well. Doesn't mean I'm discriminating against tall people when I point that out.

Awaiting my apology...

Well, accusing me of discriminating people feels a little demeaning to me.

How is saying I don't like all redheaded women is different from saying I don't like all transgendered women

Nope, you wouldn't be discriminating. You can tell if a red haired woman has red hair; because she has red hair! Tell me how you can tell a how a woman is trans? There are absolutely no definiate markers for this.

Extremely masculine or very tall woman are your only clue, but not nearly all transwoman are like this, which you seem to think. And because you have this mindset that all transwoman are tall and ugly and noticeable, you think all are unattractive to men, and all are easily spotted. But not all are like this. But since you are lumping them all together, you are being discriminatory.

Right, but no. One may not be attracted to black woman because they do not like something physical about them. But transwoman don't always have physical or emotional markers, and it is impossible to spot them. I will repeat: Some are beautiful. Some are not. Some are average.

No. Not all transwoman are like that. You seen to share that mainstream media view that transwoman are huge, burly "woman" with stubble and deep voices. It's just so laughable.

I don't feel that you explained how saying that men aren't attracted to people that look, act, and are the same as any other woman is not discrimination.

Because you don't like red haired woman because you aren't attracted to the physical attribute of red hair. Transwoman do not have defining attributes like that, except in very extreme cases. So saying you aren't attracted to all transwomen means you aren't attracted to them solely because you belong to another group. I know I am repeating myself, but you continue to think that they do, which is just plain false.

How is saying I don't like all redheaded women is different from saying I don't like all transgendered women?

Something which is often lost on the chief justices of the PC patrol.

It's different because transwomen are not just one specific type. They don't look alike. They're blonde, redhead, brunette, white, black, Asian, Latino, tall, short, skinny, big etc. They can come from any ethinicity, race or creed. If you still can't understand that, then I'm sorry for you.

This has nothing to do with being overly PC. Don't you respond whenever other members make a homophobic/racist/sexist remark? You do.

You made a transphobic statement and Alpanchito called you on it. Just admit it already.

But I don't make disapproving comments and insert rolling eye smilies over every joke, like you have been doing for the past few weeks.

You're changing the subject. The subject was discrimination in relation to personal preferences. If I say I'm not attracted to transgender women, I don't have to defend that anymore than when I would say I'm not attracted to redheaded women.

Like I said to Sotiris, obviously not all men are unattracted to them. That's what we call hyperbole, but you know damn well what hyperbole is and you are very capable of spotting it, I'm sure. "All" is often used that way, as in, for example: "all men watch porn". No, not all men watch porn, it's just an expression to indicate that lots of men watch porn and it's not a rarity. (Although I have no doubt Sotiris would call the PC police on me for being misandrist for saying something like that.)

The same goes for black women: some are beautiful. Some are not. Some are average. But somehow it isn't discriminatory when I point that some people don't fall for black woman, but it *is* when it's about transgendered women? Biased much?

Where the f--- did I say that? I was just making up a new comparison because I had already used the black guy amongst the white men. So I came up with the tall guy example. Doesn't mean I think transgender people are like that. I thought you knew how comparisons worked.

Well it's not exactly a matter of feeling, as it is of reading.

Doesn't matter. I'm still comparing one group (redheaded women) to another group (transgendered women) and you still want me to apply a double standard. Which I refuse.

It's different because transwomen are not just one specific type.

Perhaps your "jokes" are the problem and not my responses. Excuse me, for not finding funny discriminatory and insulting remarks!

Of course, the transwomen aren't attractive thing just really points to: "icky(!), they used to have penises!" more than an actual natural judgment of beauty.

Except that they are under Transsexuals or Transgenderism. Otherwise they wouldn't be under that category would they?

Except that they are under Transsexuals or Transgenderism. Otherwise they wouldn't be under that category would they?

I agree. It really comes down to internalized homophobia then.

There's nothing insulting in saying: "It may be stereotypical, but no straight guy loves Julie Andrews *and* Glee that much." ESPECIALLY when was added to it, to make it even more obvious it was a joke.

I don't think you're playing morally superior or have a stick up your ass at all.

WASHINGTON -- Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback (R) indicated that he is likely to sign the state's sweeping anti-abortion bill, which includes a provision that would allow doctors to withhold information from patients.

Brownback, speaking to The Huffington Post Monday following the National Governors Association meeting, said that while he has not read the 69-page bill, he is likely to sign the proposal since he opposes abortion rights. Brownback, a former U.S. senator, has signed several anti-abortion bills since he took office last year.

"I am pro-life," Brownback said. "When I campaigned I said that if a pro-life bill got to my desk, I will sign it. I am not backing away from that."

The latest bill -- which is scheduled to be discussed by a legislative committee for a second time on Wednesday -- contains a number of provisions which would give the state one of the most sweeping anti-abortion laws in the nation. Among the provisions is one which would exempt doctors from malpractice suits if they withhold information -- in order to prevent an abortion -- that could have prevented a health problem for the mother or child. A wrongful death suit could be filed in the event of the death of the mother.

Other provisions include requiring women to hear the fetal heartbeat prior to an abortion, taking away tax credits for abortion providers and removing tax deductions for abortion-related insurance. The bill also requires that women be told that abortions would increase the risk of breast cancer, a controversial theory that the World Health Organization, the National Cancer Institute and gynecological groups in the United States and the United Kingdom have said is incorrect.

The bill has garnered opposition from legislative Democrats and at least one moderate Republican lawmaker.

Sarah Gillooly, the public affairs manager for Planned Parenthood of Kansas, told The Huffington Post earlier this month that the bill was "the largest and most sweeping overhaul we've seen to date."

Brownback declined discuss the specifics of the bill, reiterating that he has not studied the text.

The bill has several more steps before reaching Brownback's desk, including consideration in the conservative Republican-controlled House of Representatives, which is expected to approve the bill, and in the moderate Republican-dominated Senate, where bill opponents are hoping for defeat.

With the moderate state Senate Republicans facing August primary challenges from more conservative Republicans, Brownback said he is likely to stay out of the primaries, even though a more conservative Senate would probably be helpful to passing his agenda. Brownback and the conservative state House have seen multiple proposals defeated by moderate GOP senators.

"What I want to do is wait until after the primary and support the party's candidates," Brownback said.

Brownback said he does not know if a more conservative Senate would be helpful to his agenda, adding that he would need to review any change in Senate policy on an issue-by-issue basis. Among the issues he said he'll look at are taxes, education spending, judicial reform, economic development and pensions -- as well as maintaining his stance on abortion-related legislation.

Among the most divisive issues between Brownback and a coalition of moderate Republicans and the state's Democratic minority is the governor's proposal to rewrite the state's tax code. Brownback has been facing fire for his initiative, which includes eliminating a slew of deductions, such as those for charitable giving. Senate Republicans have formed their own study group to formulate a tax plan.

Brownback defended the plan, which he noted is a "flat tax" and said that he is expecting it to pass. He said that it is similar to the Simpson-Bowles proposal, and that he believes it is also similar to President Obama's corporate tax proposal. According to Brownback, his tax plan would help the state's business community.

"The very notion of a flat tax is it takes out exemptions and deductions," he said.

HOLY SHIT at this:


Kansas governor to sign abortion legislation allowing doctors to lie to patients[...]

That is inexpressibly dreadful.

Words fail me.

All I can say is that I hope the people of Kansas take a stand against this legislation.

Almost amazing how Clark Kent grew up in that state with out any retardation.