Goliath wrote:@ Maerj: You're also gonna love this commentary about OWS:
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That was awesome, thank you for posting that!
Goliath wrote:@ Maerj: You're also gonna love this commentary about OWS:
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What I have been talking about in this thread, which is the unconstitutional power accumulated by the president under George W. Bush (and continued by Obama) to decide, without providing any proof in court or even without any charges brought against a person, to declare any person, including US citizens as "enemy combatants" and have them assissinated. As has happened before, as evidence by the Salon.com article I posted, but that case has been all over the media. I also talked about Guántanamo Bay, where some hundreds have been held and are still being held for years without due process, without any charges against them, without access to a lawyer or a jury of their peers. That is not the rule of law. That's a violation of the Constitution and every human rights treaty the US has ever signed. It's illegal and it's morally wrong.dvdjunkie wrote:Has anyone gone back and looked to see where this article originated. I did and now it all makes sense because it is nothng but propaganda and I think the rest of you political enthusiasts should research also. [...]
Now I understand more about what is going on, and I will a little more careful about what I read and make sure that I know the source before jumping to conclusions.
You mean you still believe what those people tell you? The same people who are being bribed, bought and controlled by multi-billion dollar corporations --and I'm talking both parties here? These people don't represent you. They represent big pharma, big agriculture, Wall Street and the banking business. Wake up and smell the coffee. This is not the 1950's anymore, when you probably got politically aware.dvdjunkie wrote:And I think, and this is just my opinion for what it is worth, those of you who sound like a broken record when it comes to what is happening in America need to do some research and write to your Congressman or Senators and ask them what is going on. You would be very surprised at what replies you get.
I wish you'd do the same with Fox News and all the other mainstream media. I could give you some good suggestions for alternative news sources if you wish to. But they're not gonna chant "USA, USA, USA!"dvdjunkie wrote:I, for one, will now from this day forward boycott anything that is headlined by "RT" (Russia Today).
That right there shows how shitty careless our politicians are.Maerj wrote:I'm glad someone posted the daily show link, DVD Junkie, you should really watch that, it shows the people who came up with that crap law and you will see that its for real.
Also, I have written to all of my reps and was surprised by the responses. Basically its always "thanks for your interest and time but unfortunately I am going to vote the way I want to anyway." There are some good ones out there but this 97-3 vote shows how few there are.
And they wonder why people are protesting! I think that one of the worst things that politicians are doing, or more accurately not doing, is listening to the people. All these protesters out there not one politician has stopped to say 'What is wrong? Why are you guys out here? What do you want, how can we help?"Super Aurora wrote:That right there shows how shitty careless our politicians are.Maerj wrote:I'm glad someone posted the daily show link, DVD Junkie, you should really watch that, it shows the people who came up with that crap law and you will see that its for real.
Also, I have written to all of my reps and was surprised by the responses. Basically its always "thanks for your interest and time but unfortunately I am going to vote the way I want to anyway." There are some good ones out there but this 97-3 vote shows how few there are.
Like I said before in this thread: that died a long time ago, either in 2000 when the Supreme Court ruled for an unelected president, or even further back in 1963.singerguy04 wrote:I originally thought this had no chance being signed into law, but after some researching into how the bill was secretly passed through the Senate and how supportive both Republicans and Democrats seem to be of the bill I have this dreadfull feeling that the death of our American Democracy is upon us.
The problem is three-fold:singerguy04 wrote:This is a disgusting turn in politics, and I don't know of anything we can do at this point. I feel like one of those crazy people you see on the streets that are crying "the end is nigh!", but seriously what else am I supposed to think when we are seriously looking at a law that will strip people of their constitutional rights? On top of that, it's being done completely under our noses by people we've elected into office.
Well, that's what the power elites count on: keeping people scared and confused in order to push through measures that benefit them and set us commoners on a disadvantage. Crises are either manufactured ('the war on terror') or real crises are being exploited in order to ram through legislation that otherwise, under normal circumstances, never would've passed. You see it in Europe right now, where national parliaments are being stripped of their sovereignty in order to give more power to the European Commission in Brussels.singerguy04 wrote:I understand that we are scared as a people, why wouldn't we be? We've been attacked by terrorists, our economy is shaky at best, the climate is changing, and China is quickly rising to de-thrown us as the greatest economic power among many other things. This is no reason to undermind the foundations of our country and ignore our basic human rights.
Well, just in case he wanted to go into more depth than we are here. Just opening it up, if they are interested.Goliath wrote:^ Why do it in private? I think it's extremely important to discuss these matters in public. Like the video above said: spreading information is the best weapon we have against these horrible policy ideas.