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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:31 pm 
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Apparently, 2012 is going to be the year of the Disney classics on Blu-ray (in Europe at least). According to this French company's website, Aristocats is expected to be released on Blu-ray in September 2012. This also confirms the report that 101 Dalmatians will be released on Blu-ray in the Fall of 2012 as well.

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What, so 101 Dalmatians isn't part of the Platinum/Diamond line any more? :?

Anyways, I hope that this release of Aristocats will at least be more promising. I kind of skipped out on the recent DVD release due to Disney kind of screwing us at the last minute.


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Hmm...it's starting to seem like a LOT of classics releases for one year.

If 101 Dalmatians is still part of the diamond line, I doubt we'll be seeing it until 2014.


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Why wouldn't Cinderella be on this list?

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singerguy04 wrote:
Why wouldn't Cinderella be on this list?


Well, the month October is not on this list. Don't know why, though.

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Sotiris is French? (: and thanks for the update

I'm excited for Aristocats. And as for Dalmatians... I gave up on the titles like "Diamond" n' shyt because like <b>Heil Donald Duck</b> said they just want your money. They'll release it to us crappy or not.

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Christopher_TCUIH wrote:
Sotiris is French?


Nope! :wink:

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I enjoy the fact 101 and Aristocats will be released concurrently.

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I actually just saw this for the first time on Disney channel last week. it was really good!


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All I'm gonna say is, if this was true, it would've been listed on Blu-Ray.com or posted in the french section of their forum, and it's not.


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^blu-ray.com is not a source of information, merely an area where such sources are collected

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DisneyJedi wrote:
What, so 101 Dalmatians isn't part of the Platinum/Diamond line any more? :?

Anyways, I hope that this release of Aristocats will at least be more promising. I kind of skipped out on the recent DVD release due to Disney kind of screwing us at the last minute.


The newest DVD is the only release to have the Aristocats in it's OAR. That's a plus somewhere. :wink:



@Thread: As nice as this coming to Blu-ray would be, I'm tired of the same films getting frequent re-issues while yet again, Hercules and Hunchback get the shaft.


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^ Really? I though A-Cats was 1.33:1, no?

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Christopher_TCUIH wrote:
^ Really? I though A-Cats was 1.33:1, no?


Nope. On the DVD it says OAR: 1.75:1 and in the OAR thread it was confirmed via its pressbook that the OAR of THe Aristocats is indeed 1.75:1.

http://www.dvdizzy.com/forum/viewtopic. ... &start=500

First post on that page says it.


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Hmm interesting. I'm in no way shape or form an aspect ratio expert but it seems odd since you do seem to lose some picture as shown in UD's review

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<b>EDIT</b>: I read about matting etc and now I get it. I suppose they intended Aristocats to be widescreen but they included the matted out picture for the initial Gold Classic release same with R-Hood.

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Widescreen can be achieved in one of two ways. For a very quick and simple explanation:

The first way, which applies mostly to very wide films (2.20:1 and beyond) is to shoot in that ratio. Examples are from Oklahoma!, Spider-Man 2, and Ben-Hur:

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The second way, which applies to pretty much all films in the 1.66:1 to 2.00:1 aspect ratio range, is to shoot in 1.33:1 academy and matte it down afterwards. The example from The Shaggy Dog shows how this is done:

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Granted, you won't see the black bars like that if you saw this film in the theatres. It would look more like this:

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(The black bars on the sides of this is because this is a cap that shows how a 1.75:1 film looks on a 16:9 television without overscan)

The mattes aren't done haphazardly, either. Monitors now show projection lines to depict what the aspect ratio will be, so that the director and cinematographer can frame scenes as they wish, even if what they film will contain more information on the top and bottom. This example shows the director and composer watching a matted The Fox and the Hound on a monitor. Its poor quality is due to the source, as it was taken from a YouTube upload of a VHS copy of 1981's "The Illusion of Life". It's compared to the 2000 DVD, which is in 1.33:1

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An example of a monitor with matte lines is from the Disney Channel movie Read It And Weep:

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The monitor even shows what a 1.33:1 pan & scan will look like, with the final products of both (matted widescreen, pan&scan of the matte) here:

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In an example from the "Brazzle Dazzle Effects" documentary on Pete's Dragon, this unmatted special-effects-less shot from Mary Poppins has colored lines (by me) that show what the mattes would be:

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White = 1.66:1 ratio of the 2004 and 2009 DVD
Red = 1.75 ratio for theatrical projection
Green = 1.85:1 ratio for 1998 and 2000 DVD

For animation, matting was cheaper than always filming in the wide ratio. The studio already had equpiment and experience animating in 1.33:1 (having done so for 40 years already). Lady and the Tramp and Sleeping Beauty necessitated new equipment, additional animation, and other various changes. After Lady and the Tramp and Sleeping Beauty, Disney did not make a wide animated feature until The Black Cauldron. Everything in between - One Hundred and One Dalmatians to The Fox and the Hound - was animated in 1.33:1, then matted for theatres to 1.75:1. It made sense to return to the 1.33:1 animating aspect ratio, as it only needed two minor changes:

1. They would know to keep the "important" animation with the matted frame. For Disney, this meant animating everything in the 1.75:1 ratio, even if it will be shot in 1.33:1.

2. They could continue using all the animation equipment they already had, and if the print they sent to theatres wasn't already matted, they could simply include instructions for theatres to matte the image down to a specific ratio.

One Hundred and One Dalmatians potentially is the exception, as its pressbook states that 1.33:1 is the proper ratio. However, Disney had already been matting their shot-in-1.33:1 live-action films to widescreen since 1953's The Sword and the Rose.

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This cap shows the full 1.33:1 frame shot, and transparent mattes to show what image would be lost when the film was matted to 1.66:1, an early ratio that Disney used before settling for 1.75:1 (which was used on a majority of their features well into the 1980s).

My theory is that the Dalmatians pressbook that was acquired (either by disneyfella or AlwaysOAR in the aspect ratio thread) was sent to a theatre in a smaller town that was only equipped with Academy projection, hence the directions for 1.33:1 ratio.

However, getting a 1.33:1 frame is not necessarily getting the "full" image that was shot. Fullscreen caps from The Rescuers gains top-and-bottom image, but loses left-and-right when compared to the 1.66:1 widescreen:

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And even though the camera will shoot an entire 1.33:1 frame, it doesn't necessarily mean it's capturing everything the animator drew:

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Anyway, after all this, to steer it back to The Aristocats, I'll just say I'm glad to see it coming to Blu-Ray, if only for the opportunity of seeing any potential bonus features that were excluded the first time. Disney first announced it would be a two-disc release for March 2007, then withdrew that announcement and delayed the release by a year, when it came out as a single-disc affair. I'm hoping/assuming that the two-disc announcement meant that they had additional extras planned/in production, but decided to hold off on them for the DVD release at the time.

The film's not a favorite of mine, but I welcome any opportunity to revisit a movie.

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