Things I've Never Understood About Disney

[Aladdin from Agrabah]

Okay, here's another question:
In Atlantis, Kida's mother is taken by the Crystal forever.
But when Kida is absorbed from the Crystal she comes down again.
How can it be?

[slave2moonlight]

I tend to think he WAS 11. I mean, why 21 years as a beast? I think it was his 21st birthday. Plus, the main reason I think it was when he was 11, is that all the prequel stuff I've seen of Beauty and the Beast showed him as a kid. I mean, the comics and stuff. I guest the best thing to look at is the film, "Beauty and the Beast," the enchanted Christmas, which shows him when he is visited by the enchantress. I admit though, he looks older than 11 there (though I haven't watched it since Christmas), but I do remember Robby Benson making his voice sound a lot younger for the role... so... I don't know, it's hard to say. For now though, I'm going with the idea that he was 11 when he turned the enchantress away. Yeah, it seems harsh, but 11 is old enough so that he probably would need a major lesson to stop being such a selfish brat.

[Prudence]

Okay, here's another question:
In Atlantis, Kida's mother is taken by the Crystal forever.
But when Kida is absorbed from the Crystal she comes down again.
How can it be?

The Great Crystal said in a great booming voice, "It is not yet your time, because you have yet to become united with the one you love," and released her.
Or not. I think Kida was temporarily called "into" her ancestors while her mother "died."

[Chernabog_Rocks]

I think because when the city is in danger the Queen is taken into the crystal as a sacrifice to protect everyone else? As for Kida, I think it's because she went floating up so she could turn off the anti-gravity switch that was keeping the ancestors suspended up there Ummm.. in all seriousness (if possible) I think because the city wasn't in danger the Crystal didn't take her forever? But also keep in mind Kida doesn't have a daughter to take over as Princess, or Queen unlike when her mother was taken by the Crystal. So I guess the Crystal only takes you if there's someone to take your place.

[Disneyfreak1990]

I guess I'll make it my life's mission, then, to...um...hmm...

Now see what you've done? You've taken away my life's mission. I'm off to go cry in the corner with no purpose in life.

Escapay

i can give you a mission.
try to find for me on DVD Snow White, BATB my favorite movie by the way, treasure planet, Home on the range, Lion King, Dumbo, the package films, Winnie the Pooh, the rescuers and Pete's Dragon. also a good PS3 game, FF9 and Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix +.

[Disney Duster]

Well, I've come a little closer to solving the Ageless Prince mystery.

For one thing, I discovered this alternate, fully-animated opening for Beauty and the Beast as opposed to the final stained-glass window version.

Jim Hill Media did a story on it, where Jim aproximated the dialogue and action from what he remembered being shown a long time ago.

You can view it here.

Now, in this version, it says that the prince was very young, still a child, and that the rose would bloom until his 21'st birthday. However, we don't know if the "birthday" part is real because Jim is relying on his memories and his own thoughts, and he could have just assumed they meant birthday but it really was just his 21st year as a beast. Who knows.

Anyway, I finally think I have proof that the Beast did NOT age while he was under the spell. Take a look at my comparison of the Prince's portrait before his transformation and a frame of him after he transformed back:


If he looked like that before the transformation, there's no way he'd still look like that after 21 years.

I'll admit, the Prince's looks slightly different after he transformed back, but that could be because of the lighting or the way they drew him, or maybe it's a reflection of the fact that he changed on the inside, too. But to me it looks like the Prince didn't age during his time as a Beast, meaning the other objects probably didn't age either, and Mrs. Potts did not have teapot intercourse to produce Chip. He was born before the spell.

I think this would make sense out of the kindness of the Enchantress. By letting everyone stay the age they were before the spell, the don't lose any years being miserable. When the spell is broken, they can live as long as they were going to in their true forms. No years are lopped off from their normal lives.

Speaking of the Enchantress, anyone realize how hypocritical she was? In return for shelter, she gives him a ROSE. What is a rose good for? To smell good and LOOK BEAUTIFUL. On the OUTSIDE. That was her GIFT to the Prince, something BEAUTIFUL. Then she punishes him for only being interested in beauty. Nice.

[SpringHeelJack]

Speaking of the Enchantress, anyone realize how hypocritical she was? In return for shelter, she gives him a ROSE. What is a rose good for? To smell good and LOOK BEAUTIFUL. On the OUTSIDE. That was her GIFT to the Prince, something BEAUTIFUL. Then she punishes him for only being interested in beauty. Nice.

Ha, true, but it's hard to give a gift symbolizing internal beauty. Unless she gave him, like, a chocolate bar wrapped in soiled newspaper or something. In which case I would have invited the old woman to stay, but insist she keep her hospitality to herself.

[UrsushH.Bear]

who's to say the ENCHANTED rose wouldn't bloom for the prince's 21 years of prosperity, 21 years of no ageing, or herself being offered as a worthy princess for him to marry had he welcomed her in. It was no ordinary rose, but something special within, much like the lesson the beast had to learn before his outward transformation could take place.

[Disney-Fan]

<strike>and The Little Mermaid: Platinum Edition</strike>(on second thought, who'd want something crappy like that).

I dunno. Rumor had it that millions rushed to buy a copy of that crappy product. Something about it must've been good!

[Marce82]

Hey guys,
I have to say I agree with the "no aging while he is a beast" theory. Not only cause of the portrait....but also...have you guys considered Chip? If they have been enchanted objects for 10 years, then that means Chip was conceived while his mother was a teapot... are we really going to argue the reproductive system of china?
My thoughs: case closed.

[UmbrellaFish]

On the Goofy/Pluto dog thing, a few weeks ago, I watched an epiosde of The House of Mouse. The cartoon about Pluto when he swallows the magic wand and turns the dauchsund (SP?) into a bone came on. Well, I noticed when Pluto used his magic to let only dogs on. Well, I could clearly see Goofy's lower body go on the screen as the not-dogs went off. Either the animator put it in there to make a point, or it's just a coincidence. I don't really know. I always thought Goofy was a dog, but maybe not.

[SpringHeelJack]

Hey guys,
I have to say I agree with the "no aging while he is a beast" theory. Not only cause of the portrait....but also...have you guys considered Chip? If they have been enchanted objects for 10 years, then that means Chip was conceived while his mother was a teapot... are we really going to argue the reproductive system of china?
My thoughs: case closed.

I brought this up on the first page...

[Escapay]

<strike>and The Little Mermaid: Platinum Edition</strike>(on second thought, who'd want something crappy like that).

I dunno. Rumor had it that millions rushed to buy a copy of that crappy product. Something about it must've been good!

Must've been the tree-killing DVD condom that caught their eye. After all, who needs the movie when you've got a piece of pretty cardboard?

Anyways, *WOW* that was a great article you found, Mike! While I do like the concept for that extended prologue, I probably still prefer the quick one with the windows that we have now, mainly because it's concise and to the point. Plus, if not for them cutting it, we'd have had a different flashback in Enchanted Christmas!

As for the whole "The enchantress being a hypocrite" thing with the rose, I always figured that the rose was symbolic of the Prince/Beast. A rose is a very beautiful object in nature, as the Prince was a very handsome man as well. But roses have thorns, which can hurt people who don't know how to approach it correctly. Likewise, the Prince's "thorns" of being spoiled, selfish, unkind made it harder for people to get close to him. For the Prince's curse to be broken, he not only had to look beyond his thorns (and "clip" them), but someone would have to look beyond them as well, or even to embrace them and get hurt in the process, but accept him regardless.

When the transformation from Prince to Beast occurred, the Beast was obviously repulsed at himself, and could never consider the good inside him (the rose). He only thought of his appearance (the thorns). But once Belle began to see the "rose" of the Beast, he began to realize it as well. The recognition of the inner beauty is definitely a part of what helped to break the spell, but not entirely the only part. That tricky little concept of love would still have to be taken care of.

The Enchanted Rose also can be symbolic of the Beast's progression. It steadily wilts over the Beast's time with Belle. Isn't it odd that during the years when he's alone, the rose is in full bloom, but once the Beast starts becoming a nice guy, the rose begins blooming? It's sort of a "trade-off" that happens between them. The emptiness and darkness within the Beast begins to be transferred to the rose as it wilts and droops down. And the rose's lush and beauty start becoming apparent in the Beast, he becomes nicer, civilized, etc. And when the last petal falls, it's not essentially the end of both their lives and an eternal curse, but a sign of the *complete* transformation. What's left once the petals are gone? A stem and thorns. Signifying the dark parts of the Beast, the parts of himself that he no longer is. It's dead to him now. And so, he transforms back into his human self, he's fulfilled with all the goodness and beauty of the rose.

Escapay

[SpringHeelJack]

On the Goofy/Pluto dog thing, a few weeks ago, I watched an epiosde of The House of Mouse. The cartoon about Pluto when he swallows the magic wand and turns the dauchsund (SP?) into a bone came on. Well, I noticed when Pluto used his magic to let only dogs on. Well, I could clearly see Goofy's lower body go on the screen as the not-dogs went off. Either the animator put it in there to make a point, or it's just a coincidence. I don't really know. I always thought Goofy was a dog, but maybe not.

Okay, my new theory: Some radiation incident plagued the Disney-verse causing some creatures (mice, ducks, dogs) to evolve into freakish man-beasts that walk upright, talk, live in houses, etc. Others were not effected, and as such, remained as they are. There you go. I'm pretty sure that's it.

[Chernabog_Rocks]

Here's a rather interesting Article about Creatures Vs Characters in the Talespin World, which could also be applied to characters like Pluto and Goofy

http://talespinsourcepage.i8.com/creaturechar.htm


I think the Enchantress gave Beast/Prince the Mirror for another reason. They say the your eyes are the windows to your soul, and if everytime the Beast looked into the mirror maybe if he looked hard enough he could see his soul in his reflection? Since he would see his eyes....and maybe realize the beauty is within? I mean look at the end of the movie, Belle looked into his eyes and said "It is you!" so maybe she saw what the Mirror was inteded to show him. Yes I do realize it was also to show him the outside world as well, but the theory I have makes some sense in my mind at least

[Escapay]

Eyes are the hardest part to change in a person (in plastic surgery, that is), so often they stay the same.

But eyes also do have a powerful force of their own. One look can be interpreted in so many different ways, and as a Beast, you always saw him with these dark angry eyes. Not necessarily squinting at you, but almost furrowed and tired. When Beast began to be a nicer guy, his eyes were beaming, they became thoughtful and very...safe. I agree with your interpretation about it being "windows to the soul", because Belle could recognize the Prince was her Beast through his eyes. She recognized the thoughtfulness and the goodness in them.

Escapay

[darth_deetoo]

You people are putting way too much thought into all of this!

[SpringHeelJack]

I think part of the mirror was simply him seeing himself as he "truly" was, instead of the physical appearance a mirror would typically show. There's also some irony in that he can only look at outside events through the mirror, too.

[Escapay]

You people are putting way too much thought into all of this!

Would you rather we discuss how many types of slipcovers there are, the amount of times Ariel blinks in the movie, or whether or not there's really the word SEX in The Lion King?



Escapay

[TheSequelOfDisney]

the amount of times Ariel blinks in the movie

That actually sounds like fun. When should we start?