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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:57 pm 
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Actually... I grew up watching Cinderella in spanish (and I mean the GREAT dub made back in 1950, approved by Walt himself, not the crappy one made post-2000), and I always find it odd that at times, the Duke says phrases in both french AND italian!!

I never quite new why...

Oh yea if you wanna know its because he doesn't know which language the mystery girl (Cinderella) speaks.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:57 pm 
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Another thing I wish I added to my review. Cinderella defeated the villain in her film. The villain is not defeated until she reveals the other shoe. It wasn't a genius idea she had, but it was an idea and action nontheless.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:07 am 
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I'm not sure keeping your shoes is considered a powerful idea or action. It's not as if she knew the prince would come looking for her or that the stepmother would end up breaking the other shoe for her to plan for that.

The only active choice Cinderella makes in the story (whether it's this version or just about any other one) is to have faith that good will win out rather than give up all hope, which might be more understandable as a powerful choice to a religious audience member.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:03 pm 
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I completely disagree. Using the other slipper to get her happy ending was an idea and action she used to get her happy ending herself. Planning it out long before hand doesn't matter.

She also made an action to get her stepmother to let her go to the ball if she got her work and dress done, and performed the actions to try and do so. Then she made the action of telling the birds to get Bruno to get herself out of her locked room.

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I completely disagree. Using the other slipper to get her happy ending was an idea and action she used to get her happy ending herself. Planning it out long before hand doesn't matter.

She also made an action to get her stepmother to let her go to the ball if she got her work and dress done, and performed the actions to try and do so. Then she made the action of telling the birds to get Bruno to get herself out of her locked room.


Those could be better described as reactions. For example, Cindy does promise to finish all of her work, but the ulterior motive was to give her such a workload, including helping her stepsisters prepare for the same event, that she could not go to the ball. We don't even see her attempts to meet such a demand, because the focus behind this scenario was the mice fixing up her dress in her absence.

I would say that planning does matter, because that's essentially thinking something out in spite of the given circumstances, which is what leads to legitimate action. In the original movie, Cinderella was only ever responding to everything happening around her.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:17 pm 
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She did carry that second slipper downstairs with her, which to me suggests some forward thinking or planning that she might have need it. It seemed almost crafty to me.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:12 pm 
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^ Oh, that's true. Hmmm.

I do love Cinderella (the character/movie/story), btw, so don't take me the wrong way.

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^Ditto.

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Semaj, ditto to everything Divinity just said? Anyway, according to your logic, in Frozen, is Anna saving Elsa a reaction to Hans coming at Elsa with the sword? Or if Cinderella ran away from her stepfamily, or refused to do their chores, would that be a reaction to their abuse? Or in Alice in Wonderland, is Alice's doing things reactions to the curious, wonderful things that are presented to her? I think an action is a decision to do something to make something happen. Cinderella made a deliberate choice to do something to make her happy ending happen.

MeerkatKombat, thank you. I wonder if she always had the slipper in her pocket, but that is doubtful as that wouldn't be very safe-keeping, unless Disney didn't think that through and had her keep it in her pocket all the time because it was special to her, but logically it would be her planning to use it in case she needed it.

Disney's Divinity, yay! I...like Ariel. Not in love with her, but I have no good reasons to, it is just that I prefer the really graceful, soft, feminine princesses (except maybe Elsa, I like her a lot), but I see Ariel is a great, great character and maybe the best Disney princess. I really feel for her when Vanessa is going to marry Eric and in the end when she gets her dream, though.

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Not sure I agree with all of that, but after what MeerkatKombat pointed out, I agree that her bringing the slipper with her from upstairs was a smart action she took to get what she wanted. I don't agree that she defeated the villain though, because the prince's desire to marry her is all that allows her to escape. But I don't find her as regressive as Aurora or Snow White, and not every film has to check off every box. I mentioned religion before because that’s the main way I can relate to Cinderella.

It’s okay if you don’t like Ariel; there are many people I like and/or respect who don't, even on here (Escapay, for instance. :P ). I like feminine and graceful characters, too, but I think we would disagree on what those words would mean and what characters they would apply to. Cinderella, Aurora, Belle, Pocahontas, Megara, Tiana, and Elsa are all graceful protagonists to me, to varying degrees, and I find nearly all of Disney’s female characters to be feminine. I’ll be honest, it’s much less likely for me to dislike a female character in general.

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Disney's Divinity wrote:
Not sure I agree with all of that, but after what MeerkatKombat pointed out, I agree that her bringing the slipper with her from upstairs was a smart action she took to get what she wanted. I don't agree that she defeated the villain though, because the prince's desire to marry her is all that allows her to escape. But I don't find her as regressive as Aurora or Snow White,


I agree, she was no where near as regressive.
Cinderella (animated) definitely had some spunk to her.
'Maybe I should interrupt the music lesson' which was delivered with a smirk
'No, I mean it. Lucifer has his good points, too. For one thing, he... Well, sometimes he... Hmmm. There must be something good about him.'
There are probably others too.

She didn't defeat the villain, but I do think by bringing that slipper down stairs with her, she was being proactive about securing a better future for herself. I don't think she would just carry it around with her - it is glass and if its that precious, you aren't going to risk it smashing in your pocket or her stepmother asking why she had a shoe in her apron. I know she had tiny feet but it would show.

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You know what? For all the flack she's getting, bringing the slipper is indeed a proactive choice of her that I've never thought about before (oddly enough). I don't know why I've never thought about it before


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Did Prince Phillip defeat Maleficent? Either he did, or he and the fairies did it together. Cinderella either defeated Lady Tremaine, or she and the prince's power/marriage proposal and the fairy godmother defeated her together.

Divinity, yes those girls are graceful and feminine, but I was trying to mean the ways Cinderella and Aurora are. Those are my top two. Ariel is my third. Then it's Belle or Elsa. I've thought of Cinderella remaining good even while suffering and then being rewarded miraculously as religious, too, but I don't like to rely on that when talking about how good a character is because I think characters should be good in ways that don't depend on religion.

MeerkatKombat, Cinderella shows a lot of spunk in even just some facial or bodily movements. Like she stares back at the stepmother when she says, "Silence!"

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I love the end of animated Cinderella so much. The rest of the film I don't love as much but I found the ending really powerful and rewarding when she pulled out that second sipper and it was the one thing where I was disappointed they didn't do in the remake.

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Disney Duster wrote:
Did Prince Phillip defeat Maleficent? Either he did, or he and the fairies did it together.


To be perfectly honest, the three fairies carried the entire Sleeping Beauty film.

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I've thought of Cinderella remaining good even while suffering and then being rewarded miraculously as religious, too, but I don't like to rely on that when talking about how good a character is because I think characters should be good in ways that don't depend on religion.


It can be implied thru the appearance of her fairy godmother. In a more modern sense, a spiritual context is one thing that would make Cinderella's endurance more plausible.

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You guys may be right that Cinderella didn't defeat the stepmother...at least not all on her own.

Ah, I forgot to mention Cinderella going to "teach Lucifer a lesson" as part of her edge.

MeerkatKombat, I'm surprised you don't find the transformation scenes and "So This is Love" scene in this film really enjoyable for you. Or did you just mean the ending is what you love the most and you still love the rest of the film? I don't mind the live-action version's change though because it changed a lot of things and her fitting the lost slipper also followed the original fairy tale which is my favorite fairy tale.

Semaj, yes the fairies did do sooo much, but at least Phillip had to throw the sword well, lol. Cinderella's endurance does make a lot of sense religiously, but the main idea the film is trying to tell is her endurance of strength, hope, and happiness through all her terrible ordeals, and that she gets rewarded for it just because such good and belief does get rewarded in this world. Well, actually, it's more like people do not always get rewarded in this world, so unfortunately, that part of Cinderella doesn't always ring true.

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MeerkatKombat, I'm surprised you don't find the transformation scenes and "So This is Love" scene in this film really enjoyable for you. Or did you just mean the ending is what you love the most and you still love the rest of the film? I don't mind the live-action version's change though because it changed a lot of things and her fitting the lost slipper also followed the original fairy tale which is my favorite fairy tale.


'So this is love' may be one of my most treasured Disney songs and the transformation is one of the more memorable of any Disney film and I know I've mentioned this before but I really find those long filler scenes with the mice just drags the rest of the film down for me. The only time I didn't find the mice really annoying is when they tried to help her at the end but I felt so pleased for her when she pulled out that second slipper and stuck a metaphorical finger up at her stepmother.

I know they couldn't do that in the live action as the stepmother had the other slipper (which was a twist I enjoyed) but I still would have Cinderella to be a little more like her animated counterpart. I'm still excited about the bluray release. I could watch that costume porn all day.

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Hm...I like everything you said! I agree with pretty much all of it, except that what I like most about "So This is Love" is the visuals and just the fact my beloved Cinderella is falling in love and singing with the prince and it's so beautiful.

I can't wait for the Blu-ray for the costume and special effects porn! :lol:

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^ I've wanted 'So this is love' as my first wedding dance for so long. It's a near perfect love song.
Not sure the other half would go for it. He is generally pretty good at managing my Disney obsession but this may be an invasion too far.

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I hope you get that song as your first dance. Your wedding dreams should come true!

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