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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:37 pm 
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I'm sure most of you are familiar with this topic, Disney Princesses are very criticised online by almost everybody. Their perfect figures and physical appearances, with tiny waists, big breasts, big eyes, with long, seductive eye-lashes will lead little girls to believe that if they're not skinny, they will never get their happily ever after. These posts claim that children were, are, and will always be influenced by Disney movies in their everyday life.

What I find funny and frankly ridiculous is that these people only focus on the Princesses' physical traits, when it comes to realism in Disney movies. I am seriously so sick of posts like, "I wish I could identify with Ariel, but I'm not as skinny as her." rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl

I know children can be influenced by these movies, but in this case, isn't the parents' job to inform them that everything they see in these movies is fictional, and nothing is real? Isn't their parents' job to tell them that the characters are only drawn, they're not flesh and blood? How come matters like talking, dancing and singing animals and household objects are so easily solved, yet this tiny waist thing is so difficult?

Also, in some cases, I have seen grown women saying that they feel threatened by these characters. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Seriously, I saw a confession, in which a grown woman said she asked her boyfriend which of the Princesses he likes the best. He said that he likes them all, basically, because they're hot. Which made her self-conscious. :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

A girl even made a petition in which she asks the Disney Company to create a plus-size princess, in order for plus-size children to have a positive role-model. Other users even went as far as to suggest a disabled Princess, or a handicapped Princess. Don't they think that a Princess like that will never be as successful as Ariel or Cinderella? That Princess will have to sell dolls, and other toys.

I have watched these movies with my sister on a daily basis, when we were kids, and I have never seen my sister pay any attention to the Princesses' physical appearance. She paid attention to other things, like their singing voices, or their hair (as in the case of Ariel).

Anyway, what is your opinion on this topic? Are you in agreement with me, in thinking that this is a stupid, ridiculous problem, or with basically everyone else who claim that these characters ruin children's self-esteem?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:35 pm 
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I'm somewhere in the middle. I think the depiction of unrealistic body types for women is a problem, but at the same time the criticism can go OTT into crazy territory sometimes. Moana, for example, was refreshing because she looked like a normal girl. When people ask for plus-size, disabled, etc. princesses, what they're really asking for is variety that Disney lacks and I don't think more variety among their characters would be a bad thing.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:43 pm 
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Variety is fine and can be a good thing, but as fans you don't get to demand that they tailor make a princess just for you. The tropes are there for a reason, they appeal to a wide audience (not that kind of wide :lol: )


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:04 pm 
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Viewers can demand anything they want. Whether or not Disney will listen is another thing entirely. The only way to get them to listen to a demand is to hit them in the wallet, and unless people are willing to boycott their princess films (past and future) and merchandise, then Disney won't care. *shrug* It's just like with hand-drawn animation. They wouldn't bring it back unless consumers stopped paying to see 3D films en masse and that's not going to happen.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:10 am 
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I think it's silly and not a problem. In art, which films are, especially Disney Animated Classics, we put what we want in, not what is always the truth. Art comes first, not pleasing variety. A fat person usually wants to be skinny. A disabled person usually wants to be fully-abled. So we put in what they want. Some people do like being fat, or whatever else isn't portrayed, but then if they do, why are they complaining in the first place? Shouldn't they already be happy?

Also, I have wondered lately, why are the Disney Princesses seen as bad for little girls? It's not just the body image issue. I would say it's also because of the romance thrown on them and that they have it easy with another's money. It's either a prince's or their parent's money. So I say Tiana is the most feminist and best role model for a princess because it's all her money and a more fleshed out romance.

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I have no problems with their appearances. The Disney Princesses shouldn't be relatable to the average girl imo, because they are a class beyond the general population. While the DPs are a nice ideal to strive to resemble, because they, for the most part, represent the best of us, they aren't real at the end of the day. Hence why they can be afforded this luxury of being such unattainable beauties. We weren't meant to meet their standard (well most of us), because they represent the pinnacle of perfection for both inner and outer beauty. That's the way they were in their original stories and I don't see anything wrong with this, especially since countries like Japan, China, India, etc. still go by this classical standard for princesses. We already had this discussion a little while ago, with how the way the princesses are perceived is really only an issue in the US. Latin America, Europe, Asia, etc. don't have any such issues with them.

Anyway, I think a lot of people really do love the princesses especially because of their beauty, rather than in spite of. The best real life example of this is none other than Princess Diana. She was considered one of the most beautiful women to have ever existed, both because of her looks, but also the way she carried herself. Kate may be liked, but everyone says she isn't Diana and never could be. Even on Kate's wedding day, so many people kept remarking that she doesn't hold a candle to Diana and how beautiful of a bride Diana was on her wedding day. Diana is a cultural phenomenon even now decades after her death, and one could argue that the DPs are as well seeing as how they are a billion dollar industry. So beauty does sell and that doesn't always have to be a bad thing.

I've heard lots of stories about petite girls who get upset when the DPs are shamed for having unrealistic waists and body types, because these girls have those "unrealistic" body types. Frankly Moana already can fulfill the requirements for a "plus-size" princess, so I don't see the point in having one, besides the obvious health reasons.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:41 am 
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I'm so happy to see that people around here are smart, and use their brains for a change. :D :D :D :D

You all make so valid points. :)

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:54 am 
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I too don't understand the obsession with their physical appearances -- they're animated characters, so of course their features are exaggerated in order to be both easier to animate and be appealing to the audiences. Even the term "princess" is sort of mythical in itself and denotes this extraordinary physical beauty, so why wouldn't films based on fairy tales want to reflect that? They're not supposed to be realistic anyway. Also, in most cases their looks correspond to the overall look and design of their respective films (i.e. Meg's column-like figure or Jasmine's hourglass shape). If a person, a parent or a child has issues with the look of a fictional character or tries (and fails) to emulate said look, they have bigger, psychological issues to deal with (see also "Human Barbie" and "Human Ken").

And while everybody's hung up on their physical appearance, they conveniently ignore what these amazing characters can actually teach you. We truly live in the age of shallowness.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:16 pm 
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Sicoe Vlad wrote:
Seriously, I saw a confession, in which a grown woman said she asked her boyfriend which of the Princesses he likes the best. He said that he likes them all, basically, because they're hot. Which made her self-conscious. :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:


Hopefully you don't mean Disney Confessions. :|

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A girl even made a petition in which she asks the Disney Company to create a plus-size princess, in order for plus-size children to have a positive role-model.


This I can get on board with.

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Other users even went as far as to suggest a disabled Princess, or a handicapped Princess.


...but this I will not.

Given how it took Disney 72 years to give us a Black princess, I think the other animation studios should take a try at giving us a non-traditional princess (and I DO NOT mean anything from Shrek!).

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:01 pm 
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Semaj wrote:
This I can get on board with.
Man, plus sized people are not a race or even a minority. It shouldn't be encouraged. I like how in another thread we have people saying marketing to kids via happy meals is making America fat but we are pushing for fatter princesses.


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I think it's more of a case that the majority of the US is fat. Depicting realistic body shapes doesn't equate to WALL E obesity, jeez, but more something like the cut designs of Bastion for Rapunzel (that became Flynn/Tangled). In that respect, it's comparable to wanting more black or Latino characters to reflect the fact that they are a sizable percentage of the population. People like to see characters who are like themselves; that's not an odd concept. I want more gay characters in film and I don't feel bad about it, which is why I can't then turn around and blame others for wanting something similar.

Another thing is I can't help wondering if, say, a person finds it silly to think impossible body shapes like those of Ariel, Jasmine, and Rapunzel might promote low self-esteem, anorexia, bulimia, warped body ideals, etc., why then assume an overweight character would promote gluttony, obesity, etc.?

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In character design beauty signatures are exaggerated. So in Ariel's world she does not read as anorexic at all, just young and fit. If she were intended to be that way, you would know it. If you put an overweight character in an animated movie its going to read that way. Which is why when you see them used its usually very intentional, its why you end up with wall-e body types. If they have someone they know they want to be over weight, they're going push it for clarity, for story reasons.

As for the cut Bastion design, I think its important to note that there are two ways you can have a larger male character. One just eats a lot, the other is more of a brute. I see Bastion as the second. You can't really use that body type on a female, it would inherently make her masculine. Like that female coatch from Glee.


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Kyle wrote:
As for the cut Bastion design, I think its important to note that there are two ways you can have a larger male character. One just eats a lot, the other is more of a brute. I see Bastion as the second. You can't really use that body type on a female, it would inherently make her masculine. Like that female coatch from Glee.

Yeah, I never saw Bastion as fat either. He was just built like a hulking young man, something that would have been emphasized when juxtaposed with the more slight Rapunzel. It was meant to make him come off as more worldly and her as someone who requires protection due to her sheltered nature.


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I didn't say Bastion was fat? I said overweight--you can be overweight without being fat or obese, imo. Slightly overweight/chubby falls into plus-size. I used Bastion as an example of realistic body shapes Disney could use more of (considering we didn't get that kind of design in the finished film), but particularly with their female characters. There is a medium between abnormally thin or abnormally large. You haven't met people who are overweight that aren't all blubber and double chins? :? I meet them all the time, in textiles and other heavy-lifting blue collar jobs.

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Intentions really have nothing to do with the way the audience reacts to a film. She and Ursula are both extremes. And, anyway, you're twisting words. I didn't call her anorexic--I said that you assume an overweight design would promote unhealthy behaviors and then asked how abnormally thin designs somehow aren't capable of doing the same thing?

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You just said they are abnormally thin, that's anorexic. Which they are not (in their world). So these characters do not promote this. You can't compare body types to the real world in a one to one way anyway. That's why there isn't much room for slightly over weight (whatever semantics you want to use, I don't really care).


If the average disney princess looked like this, then yes these people would have a point.
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Semaj wrote:
Sicoe Vlad wrote:
Seriously, I saw a confession, in which a grown woman said she asked her boyfriend which of the Princesses he likes the best. He said that he likes them all, basically, because they're hot. Which made her self-conscious. :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:


Hopefully you don't mean Disney Confessions. :|



Yes, there. I don’t know if it was a joke, or anything. I was actually looking to see if it was posted on april 1st, because I really can’t understand how a grown woman can think like that. But the OP said she was watching The Little Mermaid with her boyfriend, and she asked him which of the Disney Princesses was his faorite, and he said he liked them all, because they’re super beautiful, and hot. The OP is overweight, and said it made her feel terrible, because she will never be as skinny as them.

When it comes to little girls, I can understand why they wanna be like the Princesses, because they look up to them, and maybe don’t know they’re not real, but when we’re talking about a 24 year old woman feeling threatened by them, it’s getting ridiculous and frankly stupid!

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You just said they are abnormally thin, that's anorexic. Which they are not (in their world). So these characters do not promote this.
Ariel, Jasmine, and Rapunzel are impossibly thin. Their heads are twice the size of their waists. :lol: If an overweight character--to whatever degree--would promote overeating, then why don't they promote those things when the only way anybody could actually look like that is to have cosmetic surgery to remove their internal organs?

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I also don't think having overweight or big-figured people will promote bad eating or obesity. I still believe in putting how people want to look in terms of beauty though. And that could include overweight figures. I just don't believe they have to be in for variety's and body image issue's sake.

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