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slave2moonlight wrote:I gotta disagree that he didn't hate himself before the curse. But, as usual, it seems that he hated himself because of the way he was treated by others. That seems to be something most people who don't have such an issue just don't "get", possibly even the writers of the show. That's why I can understand HIS side of it and also not wanting to lose his power, which was all he had and all he had ever had that caused people to treat him with some respect.
Ohhhh...you are absolutely right! That makes sense and is actually really good. If only they had made it more big, and that in the episode where he became Rumplestiltskin, he still showed hating himself instead of hating how people treat him. If they just brought that and what you said out more, then it would make me believe more that he could not believe Belle. And Belle also had a great point that the spell was working so it was obviously true love, I guess he just...had too deep a hatred for himself.

I understand that they are using Disney films and characters, maybe even as a starting point. It's supposed to be like...the original fairy tales, the Disney versions, and this show, are all the same, but we're showing you how it "really" happened. It would take a peasant Belle, a prince who's an actual Beast, and a non-dead fairy godmother to be better and make me accept that, but whatever.

I forgot though, I think Gaston should have had either a red, or perhaps brownish yellow outfit, like his colors in the film. I think he had red when he stormed the castle (lol I just got it like the movie but without the mob), but in the beginning he had blue which is a giant no because that was always Belle and the Beast's "we're good people and have this color in common" color and blue is just so not Gaston.

You know, at first I thought the whole "it's just a cup" thing was a joke about how people might think it was the enchanted objects but in reality they were just objects, lol, but I guess he said that just to set up how later it was more than just a cup.

But I was wondering if when the queen said, I forget exactly what she said but something like "You shouldn't kiss your master/the one holding you captive. What kind of message is that?" was poking fun at people saying Beauty and the Beast has that stockholm syndrome bad message for girls! I don't know if it was trying to say that, or if they thought that was true or not, but I wonder if that was the point. Obviously it isn't true anyway because he lets her go in both the original movie and this episode.

slave2moonlight wrote:And, yeah, David is very frustrating. Hard to understand why he doesn't leave the pseudo wife to be with Snow, and I liked Cinderella better in this episode than I have in the past, too. I haven't been too thrilled about the Red Riding Hood casting myself (or that she is supposed to be slutty, though it IS a funny take on the character), but that's cuz I have a thing for Red Riding Hoods and that story in general, for obvious reasons.
I feel David satying with Katherine is unfortunately a plothole/bad writing. They really should give him something that makes it hard for him to break away from her. Maybe he's staying with her because she's the only one who knows his past, but that need to make that clear, like he keeps asking her about his past and we see it's obvious that's why he feels he must stay with her. Or heck, they could have used the pregnancy plot twist and have her actually get pregnant, after he and Mary Margaret already kissed and got together. As for Red Ridinghood, the thing that bothers me is she's so old. She should at least look as young as Cinderella but even then they should have found a young teenager. The slutty thing kinda makes sense to me since everyone sexualizes Little Red Ridinghood and it's actually a legitimate practice because the original story always was a metaphor about getting in bed with a sexy man who turns out to be a montsrous wolf in disguise. But yes, I liked Cinderella's character better here, too, if that's what you meant.
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Disney Duster wrote: Ohhhh...you are absolutely right! That makes sense and is actually really good. If only they had made it more big, and that in the episode where he became Rumplestiltskin, he still showed hating himself instead of hating how people treat him. If they just brought that and what you said out more, then it would make me believe more that he could not believe Belle. And Belle also had a great point that the spell was working so it was obviously true love, I guess he just...had too deep a hatred for himself.
I think it showed well enough that he hated both himself and how others treated him in the past. They are interrelated. One means the other, really. People aren't just born hating themselves. It is almost if not always related to how others have treated you. And, like I said, people who haven't had this problem don't really seem to understand or have the ability to be compassionate or thoughtful about this. They start to throw out attacks of "cowardice" and "insecurity", and it really just makes the person hate themselves more. These are people who have hardly been treated well by anyone, or in some cases, only by their closest family, which is not sufficient, as much as family wishes it was. Bottom line, I feel like they've defined this part pretty well. For me, he really is the best character they've got so far. However, I do get the impression the show takes the same viewpoint (as Hollywood people would) that he is a coward and has low self-esteem and just needs to "get over it", as if it should be easy to trust people after all he has been through. Maybe they will prove to be more liberal on this though. I mean, in the past, when they were calling him a coward for not wanting to fight in a war or send his young son to do so, I would have thought Hollywood would support Rumpel on that issue, but maybe things have changed. It's very possible they have. There's that fine line between cowardice and wisdom too. I hope this show doesn't end up pushing the idea that if you won't do this or that, you're a coward. One has to protect oneself from foolhardy action too. That's not cowardice, that's just being smart. In the case of Belle, I would have taken the chance probably, but 9 times out of 10, I would have gotten burned, and I WISH I would have the strength NOT to take the chance sometime if it meant I had to give up something I already had that I wanted to keep (like in Rumpel's case, his power). What I'm trying to say is, yeah, his decision with Belle was a mistake, but he was playing it smart, because he could just as well have been right about her. So, I feel like she was waaay too judgmental towards him for being suspicious of her. Of course, I guess she never heard his whole story either.
Disney Duster wrote:I feel David satying with Katherine is unfortunately a plothole/bad writing. They really should give him something that makes it hard for him to break away from her. Maybe he's staying with her because she's the only one who knows his past, but that need to make that clear, like he keeps asking her about his past and we see it's obvious that's why he feels he must stay with her. Or heck, they could have used the pregnancy plot twist and have her actually get pregnant, after he and Mary Margaret already kissed and got together. As for Red Ridinghood, the thing that bothers me is she's so old. She should at least look as young as Cinderella but even then they should have found a young teenager. The slutty thing kinda makes sense to me since everyone sexualizes Little Red Ridinghood and it's actually a legitimate practice because the original story always was a metaphor about getting in bed with a sexy man who turns out to be a montsrous wolf in disguise. But yes, I liked Cinderella's character better here, too, if that's what you meant.
I assume it is part of the curse they have over David that keeps him with his wife rather than a plothole, but year, they should probably make that better defined. As for Red Riding Hood, yeah, I get the slut thing and can deal with it for those reasons, but I am more bothered by her appearance, superficial as that may be. I feel she should definitely be one of the younger characters, at least younger looking. I do get a vibe that she is supposed to be younger, but she just doesn't look it, and she really should be younger than that anyway.
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Ok, so I just watched Once. Oh my goodness, that was soooo dramatic!! Way too much was going on! It was actually really good! I loved the Beauty and the Beast twist. At first, I was peeved that Rumple was the beast, but it just works. No lie, I couldn't stand Belle's British accent. I liked the Storybrooke scenes as well, especially the fact that Ruby, Mary Margaret, and Ashley were all friends. Oh and Sean & Ashley's engagement was cool, even though it was in a bar.
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I thought it was strange that Belle had a British accent too. Even her father is called Mr. French in Storybrooke, so you'd think that if they were going to give her an accent, it would be a French one. I would have preferred none at all though (or perhaps I should say, ha, an American accent), but that's just me and considering Snow and Cinderella don't have accents. Liked the dropped hint about Ariel, by the way... Wonder if we'll actually get to see her.
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Exactly! Why did she get an accent, but Snow White and Cinderella didn't, you know? I would have preferred her to have an American accent, just like the others. I personally think French accents are very hard to pull off perfectly.

Can I say that I actually liked Gaston?

Also, I got the mermaid reference! I hope we get to see the Little Mermaid soon! And Rapunzel!! That scene with Belle in the dungeon looked like a place where Rapunzel herself would've been locked up!
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Yeah, when they mentioned her being put in a tower, I wondered if they were gonna make Belle Rapunzel now, ha.
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I noticed the reference to a mermaid, too, but when I saw the preview for next Sunday (with a siren from the lake or whatever), I assumed she wasn't talking about the little mermaid. I hope they do it sometime in the first season though.
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Disney's Divinity wrote:I noticed the reference to a mermaid, too, but when I saw the preview for next Sunday (with a siren from the lake or whatever), I assumed she wasn't talking about the little mermaid. I hope they do it sometime in the first season though.
Aw, that's weird. Maybe the "Lady of the Lake" from King Arthur... I don't know, but then ya never know with Once Upon a Time. Unfortunately, I don't get to see the previews. I just watch the show online. Maybe the previews are on there somewhere though.
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They will be doing THE Little Mermaid (Ariel) in an upcoming episode. Joanna Garcia (Cheyenne from Reba) is reported to be playing Ariel.

As for last week's episode, I loved that they showed Belle, but of course with a twist. For one, she was already a princess. Second, she was engaged to Gaston in an arranged marriage. And lastly, they used Rumplestiltskin as The Beast. That was probably my biggest gripe of all. I would've like for them to show the real Beast, and have showed his human name as Adam! That would've been great to see! Just like they named Snow's prince James and Cindy's prince Thomas. Also, we got a cool cameo from Chip and Mrs. Potts :p
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I just finished watching last week's episode and I really enjoyed it. Emilie did quite well as Belle and I hope we get to see more of her. I also liked the allusion to One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest at the end (the guy sweeping the floor). Can't wait for tonight's episode, either. I don't know what it's about, but I'm excited nonetheless.
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Oohh, I felt that slap! Why is this witch so freaking evil?!?! Some people will stop at nothing to ruin other people's happiness. Why? What do you gain from it?

Ummm, to get into Law School, you have to take the LSATs. I doubt Storybrooke has a testing center...
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xxhplinkxx wrote:They will be doing THE Little Mermaid (Ariel) in an upcoming episode. Joanna Garcia (Cheyenne from Reba) is reported to be playing Ariel.
Oh yeah, I did read that somewhere but totally forgot. I'm a bonafide Ariel fanatic, and I have to say I like that casting fairly well. Not saying it is the 100 percent, number one best choice, but I think it's pretty decent. Can't wait for that episode!

As for the latest, I just finished it, and it was a mixed bag for me. Well, my main problem was the whole thing with Mary Margaret. I didn't really like her attitude in this episode. I'm not sure why she thinks people would treat her any better if David had told Katherine about the affair, or that Katherine would have taken it any better. And, he really was just trying to spare Katherine's feelings. Is this some kind of female logic I'm missing? So, he ends his marriage for her and then she says it's not real and ends things with him too. Kind of a bitchy move there. I mean, there's no way for this to have gone nicely, and I think Mary Margaret should have just been glad that David was free of Katherine now. He's the one who had to leave his spouse, not her, so she was a bit hard on him in not realizing how difficult it would be, I think. (and, I do not condone "affairs", but there's a lot of evil witchery behind things that go on here, so I make an exception for these two; David certainly was lame to take so long with this). Of course, I feel for Mary Margaret and the way she's being treated now by everyone, but that was probably inevitable.

Anyways, very interesting doings with this guy who stole the fairytale book and added some pages of his own. And, what happened to Katherine? What was Regina burning?
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slave2moonlight wrote:And, what happened to Katherine? What was Regina burning?
Well Katherine crashed because of the curse Henry talked about. No one can ever leave Storybrooke. Every time they reach the city limits their car crashes. The only ones that can leave are Emma and Henry. Same thing happened to Ashley (Cinderella) when she tried to leave with her baby.

As for what Regina was burning, Katherine said she had written both David and Mary Margaret letters giving them her blessing, basically, so they could be happy together. But of course Regina can't have that happen so she snuck into their houses and stole and burned the letters.
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I was confused about something: didn't Abigail say that the guy Midas made into gold was her brother and that they were lovers and going to get married? Maybe I just heard that wrong, but it made me quite confused. If anyone could clear that up, that would be awesome.
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LOL!!!! I think you heard wrong. It was a guy she was already betrothed to and in love with, but then he turned to gold.
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tsom wrote:LOL!!!! I think you heard wrong. It was a guy she was already betrothed to and in love with, but then he turned to gold.
Ooohhhh, hahahaha. Yeah, I definitely heard wrong; thank you for clearing that up for me :lol:
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Hahahaha, no problem!!! :-)
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slave2moonlight wrote:And, what happened to Katherine? What was Regina burning?
Well Katherine crashed because of the curse Henry talked about. No one can ever leave Storybrooke. Every time they reach the city limits their car crashes. The only ones that can leave are Emma and Henry. Same thing happened to Ashley (Cinderella) when she tried to leave with her baby.

As for what Regina was burning, Katherine said she had written both David and Mary Margaret letters giving them her blessing, basically, so they could be happy together. But of course Regina can't have that happen so she snuck into their houses and stole and burned the letters.
Aah, I must have missed everything about the letters. Well, when the car was shown to be empty, I thought Regina had maybe destroyed her or sent her somewhere by burning whatever was in that envelope, ha, since it was simultaneous.
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Spent the past few days catching up on this series on Hulu. Wasn't interested at all 'til I saw the preview for the Beauty and the Beast episode. Then I had to check out the Pilot...which was ok, but good enough that voilà! a new show to follow.

I personally like the changes they've made with the fairy tales. While I don't agree particularly with every revision, as a whole I'm with the idea of structuring the stories differently and even blending tales together in this alternate world. By the way, the characters (Disney or not) are just guidelines and the OUAT versions are more like tributes, not duplicates.

The last episode is currently my least favorite. Are we supposed to care for Kathryn? Not sure if we're to like her, despise her or just feel indifferent. The writers were going for likeability (I assume) in this episode, but I didn't care. Her fairy tale counterpart's backstory/love interest was the least engaging of the series. And "What Happened to Frederick" is just a dull title.

In spite of all that...did anyone else notice Space Paranoids?!
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Haven't noticed anyone talking about the Target Exclusive "Once Upon A Time" DVD release last week of the first five episodes. It was priced at only $9 and includes a lot of interesting takes as extras and really explains a lot of the back stories.

I bought it because I missed part of one episode and was a little confused, but now I am "all in" with this show.
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