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Okay, so I've been collecting Disney DVDs for quite some time now (since late 2002 | early 2003) and I still haven't completely finished collecting all the titles I listed to get and obviously now that Blu Ray has come along and DVD is being somewhat phased out or at least not prioritised anymore, I'm starting to think at some point I will start collecting Blu Rays for the newer/future releases onwards. It then made me wonder if I should then get all the Disney Animated Classics again but on Blu Ray format, which ultimately brings me to this question... Where do you draw the line?

I know many people here that collect Blu Rays and have vast DVD collections too and wondered if you continue to plan on upgrading each time a new format comes out... After VHS you had DVD, now Blu Ray and eventually something new will come along to replace that. Do you guys plan on collecting and upgrading your Disney collections on new formats until the day you die or is there a limit, where do you draw the line...? Just curious to see what your thoughts were.
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I didn't get many of the films on DVD but I've been buying them on Blu Ray as they've been released so I'm up for date. I'll keep collecting on that format but I'll probably upgrade to digital downloads once more of the WDAS classics become available.
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DisneyAnimation88 wrote:I didn't get many of the films on DVD but I've been buying them on Blu Ray as they've been released so I'm up for date. I'll keep collecting on that format but I'll probably upgrade to digital downloads once more of the WDAS classics become available.
I think you mean 'downgrade'. :)


Anyway, it's getting to the point now that we are reaching a limit as far as upgrading for video and audio quality is concerned with films for home video usage. There's talk about 4K TVs and such but not only do the TVs need to be a certain size for any difference to be seen, the differences aren't as extreme as SD to HD would be, making an upgrade even more unneeded than those who choose not to upgrade from DVD to Blu-ray. Of course there's digital downloads and cloud services but I would never invest in a cloud-only collection. My collection would basically be in someone else's hands and thus can be taken away at any time by the cloud service. Not worth it AT ALL. Not to mention, even at best, the quality is spotty. It would be a colossal downgrade to go from a Blu-ray collection to a digital download collection via a cloud service.
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The_Iceflash wrote:I think you mean 'downgrade'
For me personally, downloading the films is a bit more conveniant (perhaps I'm just too lazy to go to a shop and buy them) and allows me to have them in one place that is easily accessible. I understand your concerns about the iCloud service but I have never had any problems with downloading music or films or television so it's just a matter of personal preference.
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Well if Disney keeps releasing them with new transfers, new bonus features, new cover art, new collectible anything, I would think the most avid collectors would get all that.

But for people who just want the films in the best transfers, Blu-ray is the best it will be for a very long time. Digital downloads won't do anything new in terms of that. In fact, I here they'll actually be less quality.
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I don't have a Blu-Ray player, so I'm content with just getting the titles on DVD. In fact, I've been pondering over re-purchasing the titles on VHS for nostalgic reasons.
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For me it depends. If we are talking the Disney and Pixar Animated Classics, originally I was only going to buy new titles on Blu-ray, but after thinking about my friend who has little kids and knowing that one day I plan on having little kids, the Blu-rays interest me over the fact that they are better for interacting with kids then DVD's.

The collector in me however as I get these Disney Animated Classics on DVD does not necessarily replace my original DVD's with the Blu-ray. If it is a title on Blu-ray that has all the extras, or at least the ones I care about from the DVD's I own, I will strait replace them. However, if the Blu-ray does not have any or most of the extras from the DVD, I keep both side by side.

Outside of the Disney and Pixar Animated Classics, the vast majority of my DVD's will stay DVD's till they get lost or broken. Newer titles I'm more likely to buy the Blu-ray, but even then not always. Depends on how much I like the movie. I still but new movies on DVD.

I personally don't think the Blu-ray fan boy's gloom and doom for the end of the DVD is founded in much reality. Even if in a few years (or sooner) new movies are released only on Blu-ray, I really think the DVD format will still be used for more vintage titles (like the Warner Archives of Disney's Generation Collection/ DMC).

As for digital downloads, I can never see that as "owning" anything. I think it is perfect for "renting" movies or shows, but as for "owning," I just don't see it that way. I seriously doubt I'm alone in that feeling. The day that is the only option, I'll stop buying movies. As it is, I find myself buying fewer and fewer new titles, so that may happen anyway.
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Well, beyond DVD there is now 3D, and of course some people find digital downloads to be the future. However, myself, I don't know if I will ever upgrade from blu-rays. I AM upgrading TO blu-rays, gradually, but I don't care for non-physical format anytime I have the option, and I don't give a hoot about 3D (maybe if it was theme park quality). Also, I really don't see how I NEED a higher quality than what blu-ray offers.
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No, I won't be upgrading all my titles to Blu-ray. I understand it's better in terms of picture, sound etc, but collecting Disney movies is pretty expensive and upgrading an entire collection to a different format is just not even close to the top of my list of priorities financially.

Upgrading to DVD from VHS was an obvious improvement. DVDs last longer, are far better in terms of picture and sound quality and allow for interactive features. However, although Blu-ray would argue that these changes also apply for the most part to their own format, it's not as significant a difference as the change from VHS to DVD. It just isn't.

To be honest, I think DVD will be around for some time yet. Are they cheaper to produce than Blu-ray? I would imagine so, and so more obscure films and the majority of TV shows will probably continue to be released exclusively on DVD for some time.
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candydog wrote:...it's not as significant a difference as the change from VHS to DVD. It just isn't.
See, the thing is, it is. While DVD has the advantage of being digital and basically superior in every single way to VHS, it was still only about twice the total resolution of a home cassette. Blu-ray has six times the resolution of a DVD and (usually) lossless sound and that anti-scratch thing to prevent your horrible horrible children from ruining your movies. So you can say like "I don't care about the difference the difference" or something, you can't really argue that it's less significant. In terms of visual comparison, the screenshots of "WALL-E" as seen here is a pretty good example.

Anyhow, at this point it wouldn't surprise me if Blu-ray was the last physical home video format. People slightly older than me have gone through VHS to DVD to Blu-ray and even though I was still pretty young when DVD became the obvious dominant format, there's still movies that I've bought three times at this point, which I imagine is probably not that uncommon amongst movie fans. Hell, I own two different copies of the Star Wars trilogy on VHS and rebought the DVDs when they came out with the bonus discs containing the unaltered versions. That as much as anything will contribute to a decline in home video sales, the fact that people are just reluctant to buy the same movie yet again. It's a cow that can only be milked so much. There is a reason why Disney seems to be throwing a glut of catalog titles at us this year, after all. Studios realize this, thus the push for streaming, not to mention that the mp3 proved consumers care more for convenience than quality. Myself I obviously prefer a physical format, but I would be... genuinely surprised if I found myself buying anything again post-Blu-ray if only because I'm having serious doubts that something tangible will exist once that format becomes obsolete.
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Cheshire Cat wrote:
I don't have a Blu-Ray player, so I'm content with just getting the titles on DVD. In fact, I've been pondering over re-purchasing the titles on VHS for nostalgic reasons.
First you should know that most Blu-rays come with a Standard DVD so you won't miss anything and then when you do decide to go Blu, you will have a good collection started.

As far as getting them on VHS, good luck with that. Have you seen the prices some idiots are charging on eBay? Think about it, you can't find the original Disney classics on VHS without paying a collector's price or going to a used Video store and go through their VHS collection, which us usually pretty slim.

Incidentally, you don't need a Hi-Def television to have a Blu-ray player and all Blu-ray players play standard DVD's and upgrade them to near Hi-Def images.
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I'm interested only in Walt Disney's (the man, the filmmaker/producer) own film, animation and TV library and will support those releases on Blu-Ray (if properly mastered in HD from original film elements). Happy to see the first live-action titles from that catalog (Absent-Minded Professor, Son of Flubber, Babes in Toyland) coming later this year and hope for more classics soon.

Also hope to see more unavailable titles surface on DVD (Prince and the Pauper, Escapade in Florence, VonDrake, etc) through the DMC.

But downloads do not interest me at this time. I prefer a physical format with superior picture quality to watch on a big TV.
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merlinjones wrote:But downloads do not interest me at this time. I prefer a physical format with superior picture quality to watch on a big TV.
It seems to be a common misconception that digital downloads can only be watched on computers or mobile devices. This simply isn't true - a digital download can be watched on your TV the same way a DVD a blu-ray can, by going through one of many devices - Apple TV, PS3, Xbox 360, etc.

I feel this point is not advertised nearly enough.
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dvdjunkie wrote:As far as getting them on VHS, good luck with that. Have you seen the prices some idiots are charging on eBay? Think about it, you can't find the original Disney classics on VHS without paying a collector's price or going to a used Video store and go through their VHS collection, which us usually pretty slim.
Last I remember, my local BuyBack$ (media buy & resale shop) sells just about all their VHS's from $0.50 to $2.00, including any Disney classics they have. Not bad at all if you're cool with getting VHS's. I also see them going for similar prices at flea markets, garage sales, Goodwill, etc.; one hardly needs to resort to paying a "collector's price" on eBay when DAC VHS's are so common and easy to find. And looking at eBay right this moment?

Cinderella (Black Diamond Edition): Starting Bid: $0.99, Buy It Now for $2.88
Aladdin Deluxe Edition (includes VHS, CD, & Book): Buy It Now for $6.95 (sets like these originally sold for about $75-$100)
Lot of 25 Disney VHS's: Buy It Now for $34.98

I mean, a simple search shows how cheap they go for, so what exactly is this "collector's price" you speak of? :scratch: Unless this is the kind of thing you're talking about. :lol:
SpringHeelJack wrote:People slightly older than me have gone through VHS to DVD to Blu-ray and even though I was still pretty young when DVD became the obvious dominant format, there's still movies that I've bought three times at this point, which I imagine is probably not that uncommon amongst movie fans.
Er . . . don't ask me how many times I've bought Lady and the Tramp; everything minus Beta and LD, and twice on two of the same formats for the sake of upgrading. I don't plan on buying it ever again, I swear (not counting a possible free/discounted downloadable upgrade). Unless they decide to go with chips as the next hard-copy format; i.e. similar to a USB drive.

I'm old enough to remember the VHS/Beta wars, and the relief my dad held when VHS won out. He liked the fact that you could fit most full movies on one tape, while Beta sometimes required two. I can also remember when it cost $30 just to rent a movie and that it was $75+ to purchase one of the very limited available Disney films, like Dumbo, Mary Poppins, and Return to Oz. Fun times, fun times. We bought our first VCR in December of 1985 and I eventually collected most of the available DAC's. I gave nearly all of them away when I started upgrading to DVD.

Anyway, I love the Blu-ray format and how great it looks on my TV, but I've already got most of what I want on DVD so I'm picky about what films I upgrade. It really depends on the quality of what I currently have on DVD and how great a deal I can get on the Blu-ray. It's rare for me to buy a DVD these days, unless it's something that won't be available on Blu for quite some time (if ever) or if it's included as part of a combo pack. I also occasionally give DVD's away to my MIL, since in all honesty I don't need 3+ copies of the same film. And sadly enough, I'm not as big on bonus features as I used to be and I've kinda given up on them. The film itself is the most important aspect to me anyway.
SWillie! wrote:It seems to be a common misconception that digital downloads can only be watched on computers or mobile devices.
Yep. I'm all about being able to watch whatever I want on my big screen, and my TV has all sorts of apps for that. We can already rent or buy all sorts of films at our fingertips and watch them in HD instantaneously. We can even rent a lot of Disney movies in HD that are not yet available on Blu-ray.
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SpringHeelJack wrote:
candydog wrote:...it's not as significant a difference as the change from VHS to DVD. It just isn't.
See, the thing is, it is. While DVD has the advantage of being digital and basically superior in every single way to VHS, it was still only about twice the total resolution of a home cassette. Blu-ray has six times the resolution of a DVD and (usually) lossless sound and that anti-scratch thing to prevent your horrible horrible children from ruining your movies. So you can say like "I don't care about the difference the difference" or something, you can't really argue that it's less significant. In terms of visual comparison, the screenshots of "WALL-E" as seen here is a pretty good example.
Ok, I admit those comparisons are pretty impressive, and whilst yes the picture is far better and a greater change than that of the switch from VHS to DVD, the change itself just never struck me as being as big for some reason. I think it was the switch to digital that made it so much more significant in my mind. But I admit most people would disagree and I'm probably technically wrong.
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SpringHeelJack wrote:While DVD has the advantage of being digital and basically superior in every single way to VHS, it was still only about twice the total resolution of a home cassette. Blu-ray has six times the resolution of a DVD and (usually) lossless sound and that anti-scratch thing to prevent your horrible horrible children from ruining your movies.
For me, I really could care less about picture and sound. DVD are totally good enough for me in that area. For Disney and Pixar animated film alone, what I like is the scratch proofing feature and the new extras. However, even extras are not enough for me to convert my full DVD library to Blu-ray. So it strictly Disney and Pixar animated classics, save for a few slight exceptions, like the updated "Rocketeer" Blu-ray that now has the film in the anamorphic widescreen. Even that, if it ad been re-released onto DVD, I would have just gone for that.

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merlinjones wrote:But downloads do not interest me at this time. I prefer a physical format with superior picture quality to watch on a big TV.
It seems to be a common misconception that digital downloads can only be watched on computers or mobile devices. This simply isn't true - a digital download can be watched on your TV the same way a DVD a blu-ray can, by going through one of many devices - Apple TV, PS3, Xbox 360, etc.

I feel this point is not advertised nearly enough.
I realize they play on tv's. I still don't see it as "owning" them however. I need something physically in my hand to feel like I own anything. Like I have said however, definitely the future of renting, just not buying.
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No matter what, history has proven the wisdom of owning a physical copy, as IP owners arbitrarily decide what to make available for the future.

Where would we be without the Japanese laser discs of "Song of the South" or the unedited versions of "Make Mine Music" and "Melody Time"? Or even the VHS tapes of all those "Wonderful World of Color" classics?

Seems more and more that in the digital age we have to look ahead to preserving history with hard copies of classics while they are available.
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SpringHeelJack wrote:
candydog wrote:...it's not as significant a difference as the change from VHS to DVD. It just isn't.
See, the thing is, it is. While DVD has the advantage of being digital and basically superior in every single way to VHS, it was still only about twice the total resolution of a home cassette. Blu-ray has six times the resolution of a DVD and (usually) lossless sound and that anti-scratch thing to prevent your horrible horrible children from ruining your movies. So you can say like "I don't care about the difference the difference" or something, you can't really argue that it's less significant. In terms of visual comparison, the screenshots of "WALL-E" as seen here is a pretty good example.
The VHS to DVD upgrade is more significant simply because of it being digital. Chapter Selection, Menus, etc that DVD standardized that VHS didn't have alone made that a more significant upgrade. It's not the resolution that made VHS to DVD more significant. DVD offered more as an upgrade to VHS than Blu-ray does for DVD. I say this as a Blu-ray adopter. Why is it that those not upgrading to Blu-ray say the incentive is *only* an increase in resolution? Because they compare how much both has to offer and to them, DVD from VHS gave them more of a significant upgrade. Those people didn't upgrade to DVD just for resolution.
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I got quite a few of the classics on VHS. I got all the classics on DVD, some of them I have several editions of. I am now upgrading to Blu-ray, but I am keeping my DVD's for the bonus material, the cover and the different presentation of the movies (colors, picture, sound etc).

I am a really dedicated collector when it comes to the Walt Disney Animation Studios movies, and I also got all the Pixar movies on DVD and am upgrading them to Blu-ray. I will also buy the new Blu-ray editions of Beauty and the Beast, Sleeping Beauty etc when they get released. I will also buy all my favorite classics on "Super Blu-ray" if such a format ever get's released, but I think I will be content with "only" having a Blu-ray edition of the movies I do not care that much for (the 70's and 80's movies for example).
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