The Ringmaster from "Dumbo": a villain?
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The Ringmaster from "Dumbo": a villain?
I bring this topic up because I really don't think the Ringmaster from "Dumbo" is a villain, in the traditional sense. He was just trying to find a place for Dumbo (and in fact, it was Timothy Mouse's convincing which gave him those ideas), and while he did lock up Mrs. Jumbo, he didn't do so out of spite, she was just giving the boys what for because they picked on her child, and the Ringmaster had no choice but to lock her up. Basically, it's nothing personal, he just had a job to do.
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Dumbo doesn't seem to have any real villians, as even Frank & Ollie agreed in their villains book.
The elephants, while never understanding Mrs. Jumbo's challenge as a mother protecting her baby, only gave her a hard time, because none of them appeared to have any prospects of motherhood, and were instead more concerned with their own business. They weren't really out to ruin anyone's life.
Even the crows, who initially taunt Dumbo's handicap eventually come around to help him discover and succeed with his talent, and in the process didn't call as much attention to their stereotyping like most miscellaneous cartoon characters often did at the time.
The elephants, while never understanding Mrs. Jumbo's challenge as a mother protecting her baby, only gave her a hard time, because none of them appeared to have any prospects of motherhood, and were instead more concerned with their own business. They weren't really out to ruin anyone's life.
Even the crows, who initially taunt Dumbo's handicap eventually come around to help him discover and succeed with his talent, and in the process didn't call as much attention to their stereotyping like most miscellaneous cartoon characters often did at the time.
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That's true. Although they did intend to outcast Dumbo, which was an outright villainous act.Semaj wrote: The elephants, while never understanding Mrs. Jumbo's challenge as a mother protecting her baby, only gave her a hard time, because none of them appeared to have any prospects of motherhood, and were instead more concerned with their own business. They weren't really out to ruin anyone's life.
I agree with Dr. Frankenollie about the elephants though. They're depressing because they are very realistic. These type of people cause a lot of pain and problems in society, whether that was their conscious intention or not.
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Disney's Divinity wrote:That's true. Although they did intend to outcast Dumbo, which was an outright villainous act.Semaj wrote: The elephants, while never understanding Mrs. Jumbo's challenge as a mother protecting her baby, only gave her a hard time, because none of them appeared to have any prospects of motherhood, and were instead more concerned with their own business. They weren't really out to ruin anyone's life.
I agree with Dr. Frankenollie about the elephants though. They're depressing because they are very realistic. These type of people cause a lot of pain and problems in society, whether that was their conscious intention or not.
Disney I guess considers him a villain, though I wouldn't call him a villian, maybe jerks, such as the Elephants dissing Dumbo and his mother. Although, I believe the gossiping Elephants were the inspiration for this talk show.
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Yeah, I played that game as a child. I remember thinking they should've come up with someone a lot better than the Ringmaster. Although I did like the part of the game where you help find Alice's head.disneyboy20022 wrote: http://www.cdaccess.com/jpg/shared/fron ... llains.jpg
Disney I guess considers him a villain, though I wouldn't call him a villian, maybe jerks, such as the Elephants dissing Dumbo and his mother.
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Disney's Divinity wrote:Yeah, I played that game as a child. I remember thinking they should've come up with someone a lot better than the Ringmaster. Although I did like the part of the game where you help find Alice's head.disneyboy20022 wrote: http://www.cdaccess.com/jpg/shared/fron ... llains.jpg
Disney I guess considers him a villain, though I wouldn't call him a villian, maybe jerks, such as the Elephants dissing Dumbo and his mother.
Alice's Head....?
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???Disney's Divinity wrote:Yeah, I played that game as a child. I remember thinking they should've come up with someone a lot better than the Ringmaster. Although I did like the part of the game where you help find Alice's head.disneyboy20022 wrote: http://www.cdaccess.com/jpg/shared/fron ... llains.jpg
Disney I guess considers him a villain, though I wouldn't call him a villian, maybe jerks, such as the Elephants dissing Dumbo and his mother.
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In the game, the villains take over and set the stories "right." The Queen of Hearts' happy ending is one in which Alice loses her head. You have to wander through a maze to find Alice's head so you can re-attach it to her body. It talks to you while you're in the maze so you can find it.
It's not as creepy as it sounds.
It's not as creepy as it sounds.
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Disney's Divinity wrote:In the game, the villains take over and set the stories "right." The Queen of Hearts' happy ending is one in which Alice loses her head. You have to wander through a maze to find Alice's head so you can re-attach it to her body. It talks to you while you're in the maze so you can find it.
It's not as creepy as it sounds.
Sounds creepy enough for me to stay away from it....that sounds just wrong. Alice's head talk to you and all....I mean is Alice undead, is there magic that keeps her alive, I mean when your head gets cut off, usually that tends to, well, be dead....maybe I don't want read into this much. I wonder if she could "recite Shakespearean quotations" or something. (there's a pun to another movie there in that last sentence.)
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So what about Dumbo? Was he forever separated from his mother and forced to be a clown's clown?Disney's Divinity wrote:In the game, the villains take over and set the stories "right." The Queen of Hearts' happy ending is one in which Alice loses her head. You have to wander through a maze to find Alice's head so you can re-attach it to her body. It talks to you while you're in the maze so you can find it.
It's not as creepy as it sounds.
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Yes, I think so. That’s why having the Ringmaster in that game was even more bizarre; didn’t he profit from having a miraculously flying elephant?
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Is it just me, or does the Ringmaster (I think) and the Queen of Hearts on that game cover look like they are reused animation?
Actually looking at all the faces on that cover, the eyes and eyebrows are very similar. Is that the standard Disney "Villain" look? If so, does that mean that the Ringmaster was drawn as a villain from the beginning?
I haven't seen Dumbo in a while, so I can't recall how he looked in the film.
Actually looking at all the faces on that cover, the eyes and eyebrows are very similar. Is that the standard Disney "Villain" look? If so, does that mean that the Ringmaster was drawn as a villain from the beginning?
I haven't seen Dumbo in a while, so I can't recall how he looked in the film.
Just the anal jerk in me coming out here, but... the cover is just a still picture, and so it can't be reused "animation". I'm sure it is just clip art though that has been used on a million different pieces of merchandise.littlefuzzy wrote:Is it just me, or does the Ringmaster (I think) and the Queen of Hearts on that game cover look like they are reused animation