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Fairytales wrote:
DisneyFan09 wrote: Not to mention that Flynn looks soooo cute in it.
I agree with you on every level... especially about Flynn.

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Flynn's definitely handsome, and I like him as a character, but looking at that, I'd find him more attractive as a hand-drawn man. Weirdest thing I've said all day, haha, but it's true.
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I didn't like Flynn's awkward "I'm starting, too." line. Shouldn't he have said "I'm starting OVER, too."?


I didn't understand this line the first time I saw the movie, but upon watching it the second time I got that when Rapunzel says "you know what I mean?" he's replying with "I'm starting to [understand]." Maybe the way Zac says it is throwing people off? It didn't bother me much the first time, but I definitely had an "oh, THAT'S it" moment the second time :lol:
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blackcauldron85 wrote: I know I it only yesterday, but my memory sucks. There was just one celebration at the end, right? I think I thought that that was for Rapunzel returning home, but maybe it was a joint celebration?
Rapunzel wrote:Not sure if this is a spoiler so I will put it in white: I thought the suns being the negative space in her art was a very nice touch instead of having her just draw obvious suns everywhere.
I still don't get that part... :?:
PheR wrote:so I guess Rapunzel was the least princess in the world in the nedd to get trapped (again) in a marriage so soon.
I wonder how long they waited, then, to get married...?
Tangled wrote:When Rapunzel marries Flynn Rider/Eugene Fitzherbert (I have no idea what to call him XD.) wouldn't that make her name Rapunzel Fitzherbert? ...and Rapunzel is a horrid name to start with, but then again "Rapunzel Rider" made me laugh super hard too.
:lol: (And I'm not sure what to call him, either, but maybe I'll stick with Flynn...?
1. Only one celebration, but it lasted a week. XD
2. It was that Rapunzel subconsciously knew about her true family, but didn't fully realize it until that moment.
3. Flynn says years and year, but he was joking around a bit, but I'd say at least a year or two.
4. Well, he says that he goes by Eugene at the end, but I think everyone will still call him Flynn Rider. XD

I hope that answered some of your questions. >_>
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My spoiler-free review of the film:

Disney continues their recent streak of great animated films with Tangled, a great adaptation of the classic Brother Grimms fairy tale Rapunzel. Directors Nathan Greno and Byron Howard and screenwriter Dan Fogelman understand what makes the animated musicals from the Mouse House so special and imbue this film with so much of that special-ness. Rapunzel is a likeable lead with Zachary Levi giving the right charm to Flynn Rider. Pascal the Chameleon provides the necessary comic relief and Mother Gothel is a particularly strong and occasionally scary villainous. The songs by Alan Menken and Glenn Slater are the highlights of the film, with one especially beautiful lantern sequence leaving the biggest grin and the 3-D in that scene is also some of the best I've seen in any film. However, the most stunning aspect of Tangled is the absolutely stunning animation. Every year, the bar seems to get raised with what computer animation can do and what the animators have done with Rapunzel's hair is just outstanding, every strand perfectly rendered. The character animation is also impressive, even surpassing Pixar's work and the backgrounds are just gorgeous. Then again, when you have Glen Keane supervising your animation, you shouldn't expect anything less than perfection.

If anything, Tangled is actually more reminiscent of the films from Walt's hey-day rather than the 1990s musical renaissance and there's nothing wrong with that at all. While Tangled likely won't enter my top ten favourite Disney films, it is still a great treat from the studio that through most of its life, has been responsible for producing some of the best animated films we've come to expect from this amazing medium.
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Re: My SPOILER-RICH review of "Tangled"!

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Jackoleen wrote: I was DISGUSTED when Rapunzel pushed Mother Gothel, brutally, against the wall! She pushed her TWICE, and, in my opinion, those two pushes totally ruined the idea of Rapunzel being a truly cool character.
I only remember the one push (where the mirror's broken), but I remember being bothered by that, too. But at the same time I sympathized with Rapunzel. They emphasize in her first scene leaving the tower that she's kind of been messed up in the head by being isolated to the tower with someone as self-centered as Gothel (where she feels differently every five seconds). Also, that she's represented by a lizard that's always changing colors kind of represents that aspect of her character. But it did feel a little out of character for her to switch to complete hate in a minute or two.

Also, how would Rapunzel know about the stolen princess (I can't remember if someone told her about it in the movie or not)?

I would feel more for Gothel, but Gothel is a really flat character, without even a hint of depth. Well, no, I felt kind of sad for her at the very beginning (before she steals Rapunzel from her parents), with how desperate she is not to die; her quick movements and facial expressions really made me feel sorry for her. But then we learn she's only trying to stay beautiful, which was kind of disappointing. Also, I hated her crone design. Something about the chin was really weird.
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Well, I saw it tonight. And I've got to say I liked it a lot.

First off, the sound in theater went off completely right when the movie started and as a result I missed the majority of the prologue but it was still an impressive, sweet film.

I'll admit, I was tend to walk into Disney movies expecting them to me more serious than they actually are. I have no idea why, I just do. And while I didn't laugh as much as I did during The Princess and the Frog, this was still an amusing little film. Pascal and Maximus were both solid characters. The bond between Rapunzel and Flynn was cute and it was great to see them evolve over time. But Mother Gothel was a great, evil character right till her bitter end. The reprise of "Mother Knows Best" was probably my favorite song in the film. Alan's music didn't really wow me in the theater but listening to it a bit now I've loosened up to it a little bit. All in all, I can't say it was as spectacular as the "big 4" Disney Renaissance films nor is it better than Enchanted or The Princess and the Frog but it was a pretty great film.
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Also, how would Rapunzel know about the stolen princess (I can't remember if someone told her about it in the movie or not)?


She hears a little girl talking about it in front of the mosaic memorial :)

(That, and the entire point of the lanterns/celebration is to remember the lost princess, so I'm sure she would've heard someone talking about it XD )
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SPOILERS....

There was something I found to be a very powerful reveal in Rapunzel's character, and that is during the campfire heart to heart scene with her and Flynn. One of my favorite scenes.

For the longest time during the trailers, I was dumbfounded by the fact that they make a big deal about her being trapped in the tower for 18 years, but she lets her self down with no help from Flynn when they leave. It kind of bugged me during the first viewing of the film too to up until the campfire scene. I love that she confesses it was her instilled fear that kept her trapped, not the tower. The fact that she could have left anytime, but chose not to, added a lot of emotional weight to the Rapunzel/Gothel relationship and I really related to Rapunzel at that moment, letting her fears hold her back. It made me root for her freedom all the more, Not just physically, but mentally and emotionally as well.

As for the confrontation...I too would have liked to see a little more pain mixed in with the anger when she discovers her "mother" is an impostor who stole her from a normal life for selfish reasons. It wasn't enough to ruin anything for me, since Gothel's love for Rapunzel was toxic and based on lies. They wisely did have a shot of Rapunzel reaching out, half wanting to save her as she tripped out the window.
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My review in a nutshell...

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does anyone else find that the movie version of WWMLB seems to have less of a rock flair and sounds much more acoustic then the soundtrack version
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nomad2010 wrote:My review in a nutshell...

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That is gorgeous artwork! I wouldnt mind that being the DVD cover at all! 8)
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Yeah, that mock cover looks gorgeous (if only it said Rapunzel instead of Tangled).

Anyways, I haven't seen the film, so I'm not going to pass judgement on it but I wanted to point out an interesting observation. On IMDB, there seems to be a bigger gender gap between ratings for this movie then the usual DAC.

Males: 6.9
Females: 9.1

If we compare that to The Princess in the Frog, a movie the execs thought was too girly in title alone that it scared off boys

Males: 7.2
Females: 7.9

I haven't seen the movie, so I can't say whether it's more princess-y or less then The Princess in the Frog, but I can say, despite marketing's best efforts, they haven't quite pulled in that male demographic they were so desperately seeking. I'm not going to look too much into this, as I'm sure it will change as more reviews pull in but I just thought this was an interesting early observation. At this point, I wish they would just give up and return it to the Rapunzel title again.

Just for reference, here is what other "Princess" (or girly, whatever) movies have gotten with some interesting results:

Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs

Males: 7.8
Females: 8

Cinderella

Males: 7.2
Females: 7.9

Sleeping Beauty

Males: 7.3
Females: 8

The Little Mermaid

Males: 7.3
Females: 8.3

Beauty and the Beast

Males: 7.9
Females: 8.7

not really a princess movie but...

Aladdin

Males: 7.8
Females: 8.2

also not really princess movie but...

Mulan

Males: 7.1
Females: 7.9

At this point, still haven't decided whether to see this in theaters or not...
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nomad2010 wrote:My review in a nutshell...

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Pardon me for asking, but is it possible to create a DVD cover that reads, "Rapunzel," besides, "Tangled?" I do not mind that it is called, "Tangled," it is just that I miss the name, "Rapunzel," very much, but I went to see the movie anyway, and I find it good. This is optional. You do not have to do it, unless if you want to. Sorry for being picky though.
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Am I the only one who has grown to love the title Tangled?

The Japanese title is my favorite though, much more epic than simply "Rapunzel".

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Victurtle wrote:Am I the only one who has grown to love the title Tangled?
No, i like it too, because it implies more than only Rapunzel. She gets 'tangled' with Flynn in their journey.
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Well the songs are maybe not as lovely as aladdin or BatB, but we have heard those songs a thousand of times and these songs still have to work on us...i just listened I have a dream again, and i liked it better then the first time(it reminds me a bit of Pete's dragon and the wild west :P)...
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@nomad2010: That fan-cover looks amazing! Wish Disney would actually do such a good job with their covers. :(
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phan258 wrote:
I didn't like Flynn's awkward "I'm starting, too." line. Shouldn't he have said "I'm starting OVER, too."?


I didn't understand this line the first time I saw the movie, but upon watching it the second time I got that when Rapunzel says "you know what I mean?" he's replying with "I'm starting to [understand]." Maybe the way Zac says it is throwing people off? It didn't bother me much the first time, but I definitely had an "oh, THAT'S it" moment the second time :lol:
I recall Rapunzel says "I'm not scared anymore" and tries to hand him the satchel. I think she says, "Do you know how that feels?" or something like that (trying to do this off of my memory.) Then Flynn pushes away the satchel, says, "I'm starting to," then his "non-existant solo" comes up. I thought it ment he was starting to not be scared of loving Rapunzel anymore. I'm still not completely sure, but Flynn's lyrics are romantic (somewhat ...) and right after that he takes Rapunzel's hand and they song a duet. Could you please tell me what you thought it ment?



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Fairytales wrote:
Victurtle wrote:Am I the only one who has grown to love the title Tangled?
No, i like it too, because it implies more than only Rapunzel. She gets 'tangled' with Flynn in their journey.
I agree 100%. The title makes complete sense in a non-marketing way. The movie focases on Rapunzel AND Flynn. I mean, would you really want Beauty and the Beast to be called "Belle" or Princess and the Frog to be called "Tiana?"
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Philo & Gunge wrote: The bond between Rapunzel and Flynn was cute and it was great to see them evolve over time.
Yes! In any film or book, I LOVE 'being there' when characters are getting to know each other. It's one of my most favorite things ever. Just seeing the relationship evolve (from being hit with a frying pan, to being used as a guide, to falling in love... <3)
janesjubilee wrote: 2. It was that Rapunzel subconsciously knew about her true family, but didn't fully realize it until that moment.
Thanks for answering my questions, Jane- definitely a big help! I still don't get this part, though...How did the sun symbols just show up in her room? But you're saying that that right there was her awareness sort of pouring out, her understanding that she is the princess?

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phan258 wrote:

I didn't understand this line the first time I saw the movie, but upon watching it the second time I got that when Rapunzel says "you know what I mean?" he's replying with "I'm starting to [understand]." Maybe the way Zac says it is throwing people off? It didn't bother me much the first time, but I definitely had an "oh, THAT'S it" moment the second time :lol:
I recall Rapunzel says "I'm not scared anymore" and tries to hand him the satchel. I think she says, "Do you know how that feels?" or something like that (trying to do this off of my memory.) Then Flynn pushes away the satchel, says, "I'm starting to," then his "non-existant solo" comes up. I thought it ment he was starting to not be scared of loving Rapunzel anymore.

I'm still not completely sure, but Flynn's lyrics are romantic (somewhat ...) and right after that he takes Rapunzel's hand and they song a duet. Could you please tell me what you thought it ment?
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Eugene always hid behind the Flynn persona because he didn't want to be the orphaned nobody. He wanted to lead an adventurous life, to be somebody. He was starting to realize, through Rapunzel, that being Eugene was good enough, that Eugene was worthy of love.
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