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^It's been posted awhile ago that he's doing Rapunzel with Glenn Slater. Yes, exciting news also. :)
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FINALLY! I've been waiting for this one! I'm so pumped!

But I'm actually hoping it won't be Musker and Clements. I love their films! Little Mermaid and Aladdin are my two favourites (and I'm hoping I'll like PatF), but this doesn't seem like a story that they could pull off. Well...they could pull it off, but they're type of films tend to be more comedic in nature, and I would rather it be on a more serious note, but not too serious, but something close to BatB.

And hearing Menken being on this project :D :D :D :D :D :D!!!!! What do you guys think the music will be like?
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The more I read, the more I'm excited about this project. "Snow Queen" has been done lots of times before, but I'll be fascinated to find out exactly how Disney reimagines it. :D
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Babaloo wrote: What do you guys think the music will be like?
I expect it to be on the scary side! :lol:
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Oh WOW this sounds more exciting then the Pooh movie for sure! :D Im looking forward to this one.....
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Babaloo wrote:
What do you guys think the music will be like?
I think it might be similar to BatB when it comes to music and atmosphere. A little dark and serious, but still enchanting and fun.
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I hope they axe the polar bear and penguin from the 2002 version and go with something a little less stereotypical (besides the fact that penguins in the southern hemisphere and polar bears on the northern hemisphere, so they'd never actually meet).

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I'm hoping they will go with something like a polar fox or something, I could see that leading to pretty animation and visuals.

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Here's also an old sketch of Gerda, when she was conceived as a child, by Harald Siepermann, he also made dozens of sketches of the snow queen that are online:

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robster16 wrote:(besides the fact that penguins in the southern hemisphere and polar bears on the northern hemisphere, so they'd never actually meet).
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oh, here's an old piece of artwork by Marc Davis for an attraction in Disneyland that was never made. I do like the style of this, and hope they dig this up from the archieve and use it as an inspiration for the new design. The white owl and ferret are also very cool!!!

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Apparently John Lasseter has written the prologue to the book "The Art of The Princess and the Frog" in which he mentions The Snow Queen, but also Rapunzel, The King Of Elves, The Bear and the Bow and Ramayana.
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robster16 wrote:oh, here's an old piece of artwork by Marc Davis for an attraction in Disneyland that was never made. I do like the style of this, and hope they dig this up from the archieve and use it as an inspiration for the new design. The white owl and ferret are also very cool!!!

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Apparently John Lasseter has written the prologue to the book "The Art of The Princess and the Frog" in which he mentions The Snow Queen, but also Rapunzel, The King Of Elves, The Bear and the Bow and Ramayana.
YES. AWESOME

as for Snow Queen design, I like these two:


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Super Aurora wrote:
robster16 wrote:oh, here's an old piece of artwork by Marc Davis for an attraction in Disneyland that was never made. I do like the style of this, and hope they dig this up from the archieve and use it as an inspiration for the new design. The white owl and ferret are also very cool!!!

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Apparently John Lasseter has written the prologue to the book "The Art of The Princess and the Frog" in which he mentions The Snow Queen, but also Rapunzel, The King Of Elves, The Bear and the Bow and Ramayana.
YES. AWESOME

as for Snow Queen design, I like these two:


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It would be cool if they did something in her design similar to the sprite in Fantasia 2000's Firebird Suite. Where when she walks she leaves a trail of ice crystals on the floor and her hair is actual snow or something...
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I hope they do something different than that heavy-looking fur coat design. I mean, it's nice in concept, but for some reason I don't think the character would move good on-screen in that. And, yes, I know Cruella moved around well enough, but 1. Her fur wasn't nearly so huge and 2. the Snow Queen doesn't seem like the over-dramatic Cruella type.

I really like the concept art robster posted. Though could she ever close her arms with ice crystals like that? :P And I agree it would be cool if she left a trail of ice behind her--I love when characters do that (reminds me of Magi from FernGully having flowers grow behind her).

And I listened to the song you posted and was a little unimpressed. Maybe it would sound better with an orchestra instead of just a piano and maybe a younger voice (not that Brian James was bad). Either way, I can't wait to see Menken's work on Rapunzel and, hopefully, The Snow Queen.

Strangely, I haven't read The Snow Queen yet. I printed it out about a month ago, but I've been so busy I keep forgetting about it. Still, I don't think it would be that bad of a thing if they made it into a love story. I mean, they've always done that (Ariel and Eric, Mulan and Shang, Hercules and Megara, etc.) even though the original stories don't necessarily end that way. (And, yes, I know Heracles really did have a wife named Megara in the myth, so that one's not completely off-base).
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October 11, 2001
Jim Hill wrote:Thankfully, I'm back on my feet now and ready to start shoveling some truly cool info your way. Stuff about animated films that the Walt Disney Company has already acknowledged as being in the works (i.e. "Sweating Bullets" & "Bears") plus toons that no one outside of the Mouse House is supposed to know anything about (i.e. Disney's return to fairy tales: A lushly animated version of Hans Christian Anderson's classic tale, "The Snow Queen," as well as a wildly comic all CGI version of "Chicken Little" that's being put together by the same team that did "The Emperor's New Groove").
Source: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/10467


June 17, 2001
I believe Dick Zondag and Dave Goetz have taken over from the Brizzi brothers on "Snow Queen". It is definitely in development.


Source: http://www.animationnation.com/cgi-bin/ ... 1;t=001152


October 30, 2001
The Brizzis supposedly resigned from Disney after the salary cuts of April 2001.
Source: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/10630?q=node/10630


February 18, 2002
Q: What are the chances of Captain Hook and Peter Pan returning for a third time?

Corey Burton: Not that I know of. I've begun working on scratch tracks for Disney's Snow Queen (set for completion in about 4 to 5 years!), but I never know what may come up for me in this constantly surprising occupation.
Source: http://www.webwombat.com.au/entertainme ... an_int.htm


February 26, 2002
Jim Hill wrote:The Mouse has at least a half a dozen new feature length animated projects in development. "Bears," "Sweating Bullets," "The Snow Queen" to name just a few. But which film does Disney CEO Michael Eisner choose to talk about at this particular meeting? Disney's first all CGI feature since the studio's disappointing 2000 release, "Dinosaur": "Chicken Little."
Source: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/11595


February 28, 2002
The executives want the production in 'Snow Queen' to be CG with a traditional 'painterly' look, kind of the same way as the 'Fantasia 2000' segment in "The Tin Soldier" (CG characters, painted backgrounds) but this time taking full advantage of the deep canvas process.


Source: http://animationarchive.net/Deleted%20M ... een/Notes/


March 18, 2002
He has been doing some developing work (traditional artwork) for the adaptation of this fairy tale. And there are some chances of him trying CG animation for the first time once production starts.
Source: http://web.archive.org/web/200308020002 ... Queen.html

Glean Keane is currently storyboarding on Snow Queen and, amazingly, using a pen! (Glen's had quite a visceral relationship with graphite.)


Source: http://animationarchive.net/Deleted%20M ... een/Notes/

Jim Hill wrote:Why are so many of his contemporaries suddenly supposedly not feeling all that keen about Glen Keane? Well, the trouble all started last week when news of Glen's next assignment leaked out of the Mouse House. Allegedly, Keane's agreed to serve as lead animator for a yet-un-named central character on Disney's "Snow Queen." So what's so controversial about that? Well, if the scuttlebutt coming out of Disney Feature Animation these days is to be believed, "The Snow Queen" is being done entirely in the CGI format. Which means that Glen -- when he animates his next character -- will have to put down his pencil and begin clicking away with a computer mouse.

It's also worth noting that Disney's "Snow Queen" will not be a CGI feature in the traditional sense. This still-in-development movie will supposedly build on the style that the Mouse created for the "Steadfast Tin Soldier" sequence in "Fantasia 2000." Where the use of softer colors and muted tones gave that portion of "F2K" an almost painterly quality. As if that entire section of the revamped concert feature had been painted by an old master. So for all of you out there who are working yourself into a heated frenzy over Glen Keane's reported participation in the production of Disney's "Snow Queen" -- my advice is to chill. Wait 'til the finished film hits theaters (sometime in late 2005/early 2006).

Source: http://www.animationnation.com/cgi-bin/ ... 1;t=002516


May 17, 2002
Jim Hill wrote:Over in WDFA’s "Snow Queen" pod (another project that’s laboring to find a logical, stylistic way to blend 2-D and 3-D animation), the verdict is finally in: Disney’s latest attempt to turn Hans Christian Anderson’s icy tale into a full length animated feature didn’t turn out so hot. Even though temporary tracks had already been recorded for the work-in-progress reel for the studio’s latest stab at "The Snow Queen" (with Corey Burton providing many of the vocals ), Disney execs have reportedly pulled the plug on this version of "The Snow Queen." And, even as we speak, WDFA's story staff is already hard at work, boarding a brand new take on the same material. Now where this gets interesting is that master animator Glen Keane took advantage of this break in "The Snow Queen"'s development to announce that he was leaving the project.

After decades of doing stellar work on other people's pictures, Keane has finally decided that he wants to direct a feature of his very own. So Glen is now supposedly holed up in his garret at the Disney lot, where he’s trying to come with a feature length story line for a film that's based on "Rapunzel." Now Disney studio execs were understandably upset when Keane upped and quit "The Snow Queen." That film is being viewed as a project that’s extremely important to WDFA's future. After all, "The Snow Queen" will be the first feature length cartoon that’s based on a classic fairy tale that Disney’s produced since the original "Aladdin" back in 1992. Mouse House execs are really counting on this movie to help the Walt Disney Company reconnect with its increasingly disenfranchised customers. So to have a big gun like Glen opt not to work on that project anymore (and take a flyer on something as flaky as "Rapunzel") was really a blow.

That said, Disney execs were still thrilled that Keane opted to stay at WDFA. These days, far too many of Mickey's top artists are growing tired of all the cost-costing and corporate shenanigans.
Source: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/12268


April 29, 2003
On Monday, the new boss roiled the ranks when he told a gathering of 525 animation employees that he wants them to produce lush, classic fairy tales -- perhaps "The Snow Queen" or "Rapunzel" -- entirely on computers. His vision was greeted with dropped jaws by the roomful of artists steeped in the traditional style of hand-drawn animation pioneered by Disney.
Source: http://articles.latimes.com/2003/apr/29 ... i-disney29


May 02, 2003
Somewhere on Animation Nation, there is an article on Glen Keane getting frustrated with Disney regarding Rapunzel's production and asking for full control over design and animation for Snow Queen and wanting to leave from Rapunzel or something to that effect. It was a really old comment posted back when there was a lot of discussion regarding Valiant and Disney's role with that.
Source: http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread. ... post559410


July 20, 2003
Steven Rea wrote:David Stainton, who has teams developing CG adaptations of Rapunzel and The Snow Queen, says the animation teams' resistance is understandable.

"I'd be afraid, too, if I were in their position and I didn't really understand what the overall goals were for the company," he explains. "But our goals are really to make our artists ambidextrous. We're trying to build our CG capability now because that's what's new and that's what people are focusing on. But it doesn't mean that we are abandoning [traditional] 2-D animation. My very strong feeling is that we can actually bring great things to the CG world because of our legacy of 2-D animation.
Source: http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~ina22/+355 ... ngs-6.html


September 09, 2003
Anonymous #1 wrote:Does anyone know what's going on with Disney Feature's Snow Queen?
Anonymous #2 wrote:It's been in and out of development. Not currently green-lighted for production.
Floyd Norman wrote:Yep, it's a go for "Chicken Little" and "Rapunzel." I'm afraid "Snow Queen" will probably never happen. This project has been kicking around for years.
Source: http://web.archive.org/web/200706300300 ... 1;t=006473


January, 2006
Erika Amato was thrilled to be cast as the Snow Queen in the first workshop of the new Disney musical, The Snow Queen. The workshop boasted an incredible production team, including Alan Menken (music), Glen Slater (lyrics), John Weidman (book), Amon Miyamoto (director), Michael Kosarin (Musical Director), and Brent-Alan Huffman (Asst. MD).
Source: http://www.velvetchain.com/ErikaAmatoNews.htm


March 01, 2006
For Disney Creative Entertainment, Alan Menken is creating a stage musical of "The Snow Queen" set to debut at Tokyo DisneySea with Amon Miyamoto directing and John Weidman as the bookwriter and Glen Slater the lyricist. He is also writing music for a Sinbad attraction in Japan for Walt Disney Imagineering.
Source: http://corporate.disney.go.com/corporat ... e_deal.pdf


January 24, 2008
Anonymous wrote:I know that Disney is working on another 2D project. Is it "The Snow Queen" or "Ramayana" or another movie not yet announced?
Steve Hulett wrote:If there's something cooking, I don't know what it is. Snow Queen was a project in development a while ago, I don't think it's on the development slate any longer.
Source: http://animationguildblog.blogspot.com/ ... paper.html


March 19, 2008
Q: You also worked on some deleted Disney projects like The Snow Queen. Can you tell me about that?

Harald Siepermann: I worked together with Dick Zondag on The Snow Queen. I’ve known him since Balto, actually, which we did for Steven Spielberg animation. When the time came for The Snow Queen, they gave me call and then I did some first design based on a young Meryl Streep kind of character. Unluckily, the project was canceled because Disney didn’t want to go into fairytales anymore at that time. They said that they wanted something wise, witty and more modern, because at that time, you know, everybody said that the Disney formula was dead and nobody wanted to see princesses and stuff like that. So, that project was canceled, sadly. But I spent a couple of weeks on some Queens, trying different levels of caricature on her, some more cartoony, others less.
Source: http://animatedviews.com/2008/enchanted ... roy-quane/


May 08, 2009
Anonymous #1 wrote:I still hope there’s still some chance to see "The Snow Queen" animated.
Anonymous #2 wrote:The Snow Queen is going into production at Disney soon.
Source: http://one1more2time3.wordpress.com/200 ... la-mancha/


June 07, 2009
Mike Gabriel wrote:Sorry, the studio doesn't want Snow Queen info out at this point.
Anonymous #1 wrote:Yeah it's coming and it's handdrawn. This year PatF. Then Rapunzel. Then a handdrawn 'Winnie the Pooh' movie, followed by Snow Queen.
Anonymous #2 wrote:So FYI... "Snow Queen" does seem to be happening because I'm reading for one of the roles tomorrow.


Source: http://alwaysanimated.blogspot.com/2009 ... -cold.html

July 01, 2009
Jim Hill wrote:If you’re just not ready for an edgy teen romance version of "Beauty and the Beast" but would still like to see how this classic fairytale would play out as a live-action film, may I direct your attention to Adriana Marmiroli’s May 2009 interview with Disney Legend Alan Menken. Who – as he was talking with this reporter from "La Stampa" (i.e. Italy’s leading daily newspaper) about his work schedule – Menken mentioned several projects that he's currently working on : "… I am preparing the soundtracks of two Disney animated feature: 'Rapunzel' and 'The Snow Queen', in addition (to) a live-action musical film about 'Beauty and the Beast', plus a new (Broadway) musical that will debut in fall 2010, 'Leap of Faith'."
Source: http://jimhillmedia.com/contributors1/b ... -lady.aspx


November 06, 2009
Michael Crawford wrote:There have been a number of projects in and out of development at Disney over the last decade, and these are starting to pop up again as contenders for the next wave of releases. The first of these is "The Snow Queen", which was mentioned by Disney producer Don Hahn as in development as recently as the D23 Expo. Hahn showed a slide of concept art from the film during one of his panel discussions, and offhandedly mentioned the project as something they’re working on.

"The Snow Queen" was in development at Disney from roughly 2000-2003, when it was scuttled because Disney management wanted to get out of the fairy tale game and into the “hip and edgy” business. The project was originally intended for directors Paul and Gaetan Brizzi for when they were finished with Don Quixote, but when that animated adaptation was canceled in early 2001 the Brizzis departed the studio. The Snow Queen was then handed off to Dick Zondag and Dave Goetz to direct, but the project eventually went into turnaround in the middle of 2002. During this break, animator Glen Keane left the project in order to direct his own film (which, eventually, turned out to be Rapunzel).

The film spiraled into development hell as management decided to retool it as a computer-animated feature, and around 2003 it simply faded away. In early 2006 it was announced that composer Alan Menken and lyricist Glen Slater were developing a stage musical based on The Snow Queen for Tokyo Disneyland; it was canceled abruptly at the end of that year, possibly when the film version went back into development. Cut to around 2007, when John Lasseter had arrived at Disney Feature Animation and was reassessing the development slate. Around that time, work began anew on The Snow Queen. Current rumors online suggest either Mike Gabriel or Dean Wellins are involved to direct. Menken has confirmed in the European press that he’s writing the songs for the film.
Source: http://progresscityusa.com/2009/11/06/b ... -sweatbox/
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Disney's Divinity wrote:And I listened to the song you posted and was a little unimpressed. Maybe it would sound better with an orchestra instead of just a piano and maybe a younger voice (not that Brian James was bad). Either way, I can't wait to see Menken's work on Rapunzel and, hopefully, The Snow Queen.
I was also a little unimpressed with the song. Obviously they wouldn't use just the piano, but I still think it was only okay. As well I guess the lyrics are okay, but I don't think they're very meaningful. Yha they ARE nice, but almost sounds like an amateur wrote it :oops: ...I just think it doens't have that "WOW" factor you usually get when listening to Menken's songs.

I think the music should be similar in nature to BatB (classic), but there's sort of something I have i my head I do't know how to explain. It's sort of like a bell-ringing sound that is usually associated with ice. I don't knoe if anyone has ever played a videogame called Zelda Ocarina of Time, but there'a a part in the game where you're in a frozen world, and there's like a twinkling sound in the music. I always associate that with ice and I think the music should sort of be classical, beautiful and kind of eerie (don't know if that's the right word to use what I'm trying to explain in my head)... Ugh why do I have literally such a big head?!?! Too much room for too many ideas in there...get's too confusing!
Robster16 wrote: Apparently John Lasseter has written the prologue to the book "The Art of The Princess and the Frog" in which he mentions The Snow Queen, but also Rapunzel, The King Of Elves, The Bear and the Bow and Ramayana.

And what about this Ramayana??? I thought that was scrapped and I had no idea that it would be put back into production?!?! Or maybe I'm completely confused and this has nothing to do with animation. But all the other movies listed are being made.
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Somehow I didn't find out about this thread until now. I thought it was about a short or something, to find out it's going to be a full length feature (directed by Musker and Clements, no less) is very exciting news. Now if Lasseter decides to do a movie with Mickey, Donald and Goofy, that would be an amazing addition to the other movies that they're currently working on.
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KubrickFan wrote:Somehow I didn't find out about this thread until now. I thought it was about a short or something, to find out it's going to be a full length feature (directed by Musker and Clements, no less) is very exciting news. Now if Lasseter decides to do a movie with Mickey, Donald and Goofy, that would be an amazing addition to the other movies that they're currently working on.
I totally agree! A 2D animated movie with Donald, Mickey and Goofy would have been so cool. Mickey and friends needs to reintroduce themselves for todays public, so to speak. And I think it would have been a smart move by Disney to go back to their roots and make something like this with their classic characters. Donald, Mickey and Goofy have been around since it alle began (Disney, I mean) and they deserve to be honored. Chip n' Dale, Pluto, Daisy, Minnie, uncle Scrooge etc could have been a part of this movie as well.
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Those concept arts are all gorgeous! Personally, I like the Marc Davis drawing better than the other ones.... But an arctic fox would make a loverly animal sidekick! They are such wonderful animals, and you don't see them often enough in movies.

By the way... What on earth is "Ramayana?"
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Super Aurora wrote:
robster16 wrote:oh, here's an old piece of artwork by Marc Davis for an attraction in Disneyland that was never made. I do like the style of this, and hope they dig this up from the archieve and use it as an inspiration for the new design. The white owl and ferret are also very cool!!!

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Apparently John Lasseter has written the prologue to the book "The Art of The Princess and the Frog" in which he mentions The Snow Queen, but also Rapunzel, The King Of Elves, The Bear and the Bow and Ramayana.
YES. AWESOME

as for Snow Queen design, I like these two:


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I probably like the first one more because it's not huge and bulky like the second design. Plus, the Russian hat looks more stylish than the chef-looking hat. :P

That old art is awesome. If Disney used that for inspiration of The Snow Queen's design, she would be a sight. I love the icicles on her head and arms.

And what is the "Ramayana" talk about? Isn't it about a rumor somewhere about Disney floating around the idea of making a 2D animated movie based on an epic Buddhist myth of the same name?
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jpanimation wrote:
robster16 wrote:I read somewhere that "Snow Queen" is being develloped as a 2D movie.

Alan Menken has confirmed in dutch press interviews that he is working on Rapunzel and will then work on Snow Queen, so he's actively working on the project again. He already did work for the movie back in 2002 when the movie was originally in production. One of the songs he wrote is called "Love Can't Be Denied", which he apparently confirmed in an interview back in 2006.[/b]
Wait, Alan Menken is working on Rapunzel? Was this common knowledge or is this new information? If true, I'm even more excited for Rapunzel and if all you say about Snow Queen is true (Musker&Clements, Menken, and traditionally animated), then I'm pumped as hell!

Lets hope you heard right :D
Alan Menken working on Rapunzel was already confirmed.
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Ramayana is a project that was in production a few years ago, but then got canceled and is now apparently back in production again. Here's a synopsis (more info on wikipedia) and also a piece of concept art by Hans Bacher:

The Ramayana is an ancient Sanskrit epic. It is attributed to the Hindu sage Valmiki and forms an important part of the Hindu canon (smṛti). The Ramayana is one of the two great epics of India, the other being the Mahabharata.It depicts the duties of relationships, portraying ideal characters like the ideal servant, the ideal brother, the ideal wife and the ideal king.

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